Think Differently. Solve the Impossible.

 

Show Notes

Shawn Harper’s Website
https://www.shawnharperwins.com

YouTube: Shawn Harper Speaks
https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnHarperSpeaks

The Winning Edge - 8 Principles That Will Bring Out the Winner in You
https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Edge-Principles-Bring-Winner/dp/1974499715

The Winologist: From the locker room to the board room
https://www.amazon.com/Winologist-locker-room-board/dp/B0BC8SDT9B

More of Shawn’s content: https://linktr.ee/shawnharper

Connect with Shawn on:

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Transcript

My guest today is Aaron Shawn Harper.

Shawn is a former NFL offensive lineman with the Rams, the Colts and NFL Europe.

He is a Hall of Fame inductee at NIACC and was drafted to the NFL from Indiana University, where he earned a degree in criminal justice and sociology.

If this all sounds impressive, wait to hear his backstory.

Shawn grew up with five siblings in a single parent household after divorce plunged his family into poverty.

He's failing in school due to learning disabilities and a stutter.

He was an average football player and voted most likely to fail.

He was on his road to becoming just another inner city statistic when instead he chose to start a new journey and shifted his mindset to that of a winner.

The rest, as they say, is history.

He made it to the NFL.

He learned he wasn't disabled, rather, as he likes to say it, uniquely enabled.

He now travels the world doing live and virtual events, helping people unlock their full potential by sharing his steps for envisioning and then living your dream.

He's made it his mission to help others and equip them with the mindset playing to win.

He's the author of two books, The Winning Edge, Eight Principles that Will Bring Out The Winner In You, and The Winologist, From The Locker Room To The Boardroom.

Shawn's story and how he went from having everybody around him tell him that he was kidding himself if he thought the NFL is possible, that he wasn't fast or slow, he was too slow, not fast enough, not strong enough, really inspired me that he could go from there to saying, no, that's, I'm going to do it, follow my dream and he did it.

And I'm really looking forward to hearing some of his tips and strategies for his principles, for the mindset, he walked the walk, he did it.

Looking forward to him sharing some of that winner winning strategy with us.

So as I was saying in introduction, they said you were dumb, learning disability, football, not quick enough, not strong enough, you're failing in school, then you got this flash of insight where you connected to this feeling inside you that said not to accept what other people were saying, you spoke your dream, and I mean, my gosh, you were in the NFL when you were voted most likely to fail.

Tell me your story.

Well, rule number one, never allow people to create your world because they will always create it too small.

That's extremely important that you refute people's expectations, and that's amazingly positive.

You need to refute people's words and expectations because it only takes a little piece of you to believe a lie, like that movie The Lion King, and it will send you on a journey trying to prove who you already are, what you already are.

And I made a decision that I am a winner.

And the way I was able to come to that decision was dealing with the adversities, dealing with being called stupid and dumb.

I remember repeating the first grade, and it was such an embarrassing moment, and all the students are lined up in the first grade, and the students line up in the second grade, and I've already made it through the first grade, I'm in the second grade line, and the teacher pulls my hand, and she pulls me back into the first grade line.

By the time I'm in the fifth grade, I'm documented with four to five learning disabilities.

Let me just stop right there.

I don't consider myself disabled, I consider myself now uniquely enabled, but it was a process, it's always a process of becoming.

That actually along with some other challenges drove me not to be a bad boy, but to be a mad boy.

I was very angry, so much so, that I was kicked out of two schools, almost three schools, for disciplinary issues.

I left high school with a 1.62 accumulative GPA, not on my CT, voted most likely to fail.

I go off to a junior college, the coach wants me to come play football in Iowa, and I can understand why, because I'm horrible at football.

I wasn't even honorable mention all conference, and here I am up being asked to go play football in the cornfields.

It was crazy.

In the first year at that junior college, I sat at the base the entire season.

And going into the second year, I had a natural conversation.

And the conversation is that, you know what?

I can't be successful.

I don't have what it takes to be successful.

But I knew somebody told you that, the conversation.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

I said, but I can win.

And the moment I said, I can win.

I begin to see problems as possibilities, obstacles as opportunities.

I begin to configure life a little differently.

And I now, go ahead.

Instead of all the conversations, what do I want?

Like you focus on the win.

Well, well, well, well, it's, it's, it's, it's not just what you want, it's what you are.

You see, people in life, you know, people rarely get what you want.

You only, you know, you can only really maintain what you are.

There has to be a little bit in you for it to align and to be attracted to you.

You are attracted to your dreams.

You're pursuing your dreams.

But on a subatomic level, a metaphysical level, wherever you want to call it, your dreams are pursuing you, right?

Because it's in, it's a little bit in you, it needs to connect with, right?

Plus, they need good, huh?

And they need NFL football players like you.

You're helping somebody else.

Like the thing you just mentioned is the universe is attracting you because it has a purpose for you calling like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and, and I'm just going to flow with you, okay?

Because the more you get, the more you gain clarity into what you want and where you want to go, the stronger the force, the other way pulls to you.

It's like, I want to do X, Y, Z.

This is, and it's not only in here, more deeper, it's in here.

And the moment you make that switch and it's in your heart, you now pursue it, but it's also pursuing you.

So tell me about that feeling.

Because a lot of people, myself included, have this idea of a feeling or intuition.

That was strong in you, right?

When you made the decision.

The decision to what?

Make it into the NFL?

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

What did that feel like?

It was, it was, it was like a pulsating urge.

Now here's where it gets kind of crazy at, because although it was there, there was a part of me that didn't believe it.

There was a part of me was like nice out of my reach, you know, and I know I'm speaking to a lot of people out there that have that.

It's like there is a, there is a dichotomy between what your mind says and what your heart says.

You have to make a difference or you have to make a choice.

Are you going to follow your heart?

Are you going to follow your mind?

Just speaking of which, so once you made the decision, you had the feeling you knew that you want to win.

So you summarized very simply to win, forget about the conversations and the other little.

It wasn't easy though.

No, it's, it's, it's not only want to win.

I want to win because I am a winner.

Okay, I am a winner.

No, it's not easy.

And guess what?

It's always progressing.

And it's so amazing because God takes layer after layer after layer off of you of doubt, unbelief, offense, rejection, abandonment, pain, abuse.

He just takes in each layer he takes off of you, the stronger and the more clear that force from you exudes.

And the stronger it exudes, the more it attracts.

So you just got to take that first step.

You got to take the first step and in this every day class, listen to me, this is so important.

Your audience, you have to get this every day classes and session.

You have to be a student of life in every aspect of it.

And you have to be able to listen.

You know, I was, like three days ago, I was at this hotel.

I never go to a hotel to watch football games, but the Renaissance Hotel, I don't want to go.

But you know, I'm going to go to this hotel and watch football game.

And I'm sitting there watching this football game.

And these older ladies, you know, they're like in their 70s, they come up and they start talking to me.

And then one of them breaks protocol.

And she starts talking, but I could tell that it wasn't her talking.

Something was talking through her and I heard it.

What was it?

But had my mind been locked on to, hey, this is what I'm doing.

I'm watching the game.

I can't be distracted.

I'm focused.

Get away from me.

I would have missed it.

What was she saying?

She was telling me that I have, she dag on there told me that I have a responsibility to minister or to speak and to encourage elite people, but even more common people and people who are underprivileged, people who have missed out on life, people who may be homeless.

He said, you have a calling to minister to every single set.

Do not focus on one group, everybody.

The world is your congregation.

Stop playing, stop trying to figure out, stop trying to figure out how to monetize it and get out there and do it.

Which is nice, Shawn, because some people that I coach explained to him, you know what, your dream isn't just about you.

You're stuck on it because it's like you're thinking it's about you.

When you think of the people you can help in the bigger picture, things become a lot easier, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

So you have a free e-book on your website, which will be in the show notes.

The Winning Edge, there are eight principles that will bring out the winner in you.

Yeah.

What's one or two of them, the most important ones?

The most, the most important one is, and let me just back up and set this up for a second, okay?

Sure.

I've learned to live my life not by rules, but by laws, and that our world, our universe is governed by spiritual laws.

And it doesn't matter if you know the law or not, you break the law, the law is going to break you.

Period.

End of discussion.

My mom taught me that when we were young, and my father left and she prayed, she said, God, how am I going to make it?

And God said, if you give $20 to the poor every month, I will always take care of you.

And that set me on a journey to understand these laws.

So one of my most favorite laws is the law of 212.

And what that means is, is that water is water at 211 degrees, but at 212 degrees, water boils.

And that one degree of extra has changed the world.

Boiling water has changed the world.

You are to live your life as much as possible in the 212.

Never get comfortable because if you're not careful, your comfort zone will become your casket, right?

So you always push to the 212.

Now, here's where it flows into what you do.

99% of people can't get into the 212 because you need someone else to pull it out of you, push it out of you, antagonize it out of you.

In other words, you need a coach.

You have to have a coach to push you into the 212.

And a coach can see what you can see.

They're not easily impressed with you.

They don't want to push you till you puke.

But that's how you make it to the 212 and live your life by the 212.

Nice.

I like the boiling water example.

You're one degree from success, one degree from the NFL, like one moment you don't have a job, the next you're playing for the NFL.

Yep.

I just have to focus on what you want, your dream, and then understand it's bigger than you.

It is so much.

And you have mentioned that twice, right?

I've heard you both times on how it's so much bigger to you know, so much larger than you.

And that is the antithesis or the opposite, or the polar opposite of how our Western culture is set up.

And it is, you know, having it my way, having the FaceTime, having the me, my selfies and all about me.

It will fill you, but it won't fulfill you.

In other words, a spiritual law is that it doesn't stick to you if it can't get through you.

Yeah, you pay your rent, but you pay your rent, but you're depressed.

And there's a lot of suicidal people and unhappy people because they do what they do to need to pay their rent, but they forget about their dream.

Right, right.

And so many people, just like you mentioned, are just, you know, depressed or unfilled.

And both feeling is congruent with nature, right?

So you have an apple, the seed is in the apple.

As the apple becomes unselfish, as the apple dies, the seeds are released, it reproduces.

That's what we have been created to do.

As we die to ourselves, and as we become selfless versus selfish, we die and then the seeds to volunteer, to give, to forgive, to release, to bless, it comes out of us and it reproduces and that's how we get full.

Nice.

One of the things I noticed in your video and you speaking about was when you had your dream, you spoke it out loud, you let people know about it.

And then of course, people said that's impossible, you're not fast enough, strong enough to be an NFL and so forth.

How do you, because I think it's real important for people to just shed people around them that don't support their dream, just negative, and surround themselves with people that do.

That's a pretty difficult situation you're in, and a pretty long shot of a dream.

What tip can you give somebody when you're just surrounded by negativity that's not possible to, you know what, I can't hang out with you anymore.

I got to have some new friends.

How do you do that?

How did you do that?

You know, I wish I can say that was easy.

That is not, that is so hard.

But you have to understand, everyone can't go.

You know, like that.

It's like the space shuttle, right?

And as a space shuttle, you know, the space shuttle goes up and you know, it gets so high in the air and then it releases it right boosters release and the left boosters release.

And then the other boosters kick in.

What got you here can't get you there, go right?

So everyone can't go.

People are in your life for a season and they're in your life for a reason.

And this is such a tough lesson.

This was a tough lesson for me.

I had to learn it because, you know, I'm not the best in transition.

Okay.

That's I'm not the best at that.

I'm learning to become very good at that.

But yeah.

And you were surrounded by some really bad characters, it sounds like, you know, your school probably, it sounded like there were some gangs around you that you might have been getting involved with or attracted to bad people.

Well, what what helped me, honestly, is that, you know, I went to junior college or I went to Indiana and I went to the NFL.

I kept moving.

Oh, yeah, extraction.

I call it an extraction.

Get yourself out of a situation.

Yes.

And I love that word that you're using because people, you might have to extract yourself.

You might not be able to do it all the time, but you have to pull yourself back.

Or and or you have to re-surround yourself with other people of where you're going.

You have to.

Mentors, people that are as good of you.

So it's still a tough road.

You have the mindset.

You remember what Shawn and Daniel are speaking of.

It's bigger than you.

It's a higher.

Where it's for everybody.

But there's going to be setbacks.

You clearly have setbacks trying to get in the NFL or whatever you're doing.

How did you?

What's the tip for your strategy for?

Just getting beat up.

How do you keep going?

What do you tell yourself?

How do you do?

Well, it's not a setback.

It's tuition, it's course correction.

You have to have it.

You have to have that.

That's what, and I don't want to get in trouble here, but I'm going to get in trouble here.

That's what I don't like about our educational system.

Well, you can't get in trouble for that.

My other guests who have been career planners and in school, they flat out say the system was built for when Model T's for Ford had to have more educated people for workers.

It's totally outdated, so everybody agrees with that.

So F, the failure is final in our educational system.

You got an F, oh, bad you.

You might need some help.

Let's move on.

What did you learn with that?

My son, right?

It's a true story.

He would get an F and then I would just go off like.

And then he was like, Dad, I could take it and correct it and bring it back and I get half credit for it.

I was so mad.

But I realized the psychology behind that is that it is consciously and subconsciously teaching you that failure is an opportunity.

Failure is not final and that is teaching you how to course correct, how to look at failure, move through failure, and then to make corrections and move forward from there.

And so learning how to course correct, yeah, and to be able to take the sting away from failure, is absolutely essential to have a winning mindset and to be a winner.

So how do you know when, you know, sometimes you want to try twice before, at least I do, before I get the message.

No, Dan, Daniel, you're not supposed to go that way.

It takes twice.

Is that kind of something you just feel out or do you, you know, just saying don't do the same thing twice expect to be successful?

Because sometimes you do, it's a learning to just do something better, but not change course, right?

Well, I'm glad Elon Musk didn't give up.

You know, I mean, who would have thought about putting thousands of satellites in the air for, you know, just to add their own messaging system and spaceships going up like every other week and having a dag on electric car.

And I'm glad Thomas Edison, you know, didn't give up and I'm glad that Mr.

Tesla, he didn't give up, although they stole all the stuff, but he didn't give up.

You know, yeah, it's essential.

It's a part of it.

So your question, what I heard was when is enough is enough.

And I believe enough is enough is when there's no more lessons to be learned.

Or it just, I just got the idea was to focus on the winning, your goal, and then even if you hit it twice, it doesn't work.

You're still your eyes on the prize, right?

So then you will automatically shift course, right?

Yeah.

Course correct.

Yeah.

So anything else?

Key principles?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's just stay in the arena of failure, right?

Another thing that I do is I look back at my past failures and I recast my story, right?

It's my story.

So it wasn't a fail.

It was because of this and this and this and this and this.

And then it lessens the actual pain and the hurt of that.

Okay.

That's number one.

Number two is that you have to have what's called persistence, persistence through resistance.

That's how you learn how to ride a bicycle.

You learn how to ride a bike by falling off that bike.

You fell off that bike.

You were embarrassed.

Everyone laughed, but you got back on that dag on bike.

And that is my encouragement for everyone out here is get back on the bike.

You got to keep getting back on that bike.

That's how you learn how to walk.

You learn how to walk by getting back on the bike.

Do you know why I'm doing this podcast right now?

I'm doing this podcast right now because in COVID, when man, when COVID hit, I lost 99 percent of all my engagements were gone in 48 hours.

I lost so much of my influence and finances and all of that to now, guess what?

I could just say, I'm done.

I could just do it.

I could do the towel away.

I could just walk away.

Then this whole, what the heck is Zoom?

Then I started messing with Zoom and I'm moving.

It's like no, it's like persistence through resistance and you make adjustments and you win.

Yeah, that was hard for a lot of speakers, the code.

All of a sudden, zero business and it took about two years and lost a lot of people.

And the people that survived, I was the people to watch.

So tell me about your school program because you have, I don't know if it's-

How do you know about my school programs?

I respect you being on my show, Shawn.

I can see that when you're digging up.

I'm like, I feel like I'm-

I want to ask you the important questions, man.

It's a big, I mean, your stories, really, the moment I saw your video that was on YouTube, you have YouTube channel at the end of the show now, it's been like, wow.

I mean, and then I saw the picture of you actually buffed and running and training.

I'm like, seriously?

And he was called most likely to fail, not strong enough and fast enough.

I mean, how much better does it get?

Success story.

So yeah, Shawn has, he does leadership and, and for schools program on personal development and life coaching.

So tell, tell me about that.

I mean, it's kind of national, right?

You do it all over.

Yes, national.

It's like international.

I'm, I'm driven by this, you know, usually I love to be led, but this drives me.

And what drives me is, is how many other Shawn Harpers are there.

You know, I was the kid in the back of the, all the assemblies making noise, falling asleep in class, goofing off, stuttered my entire life, couldn't complete a sentence till college.

And you heard my story.

I don't have to go back and do it again.

Was bullied.

I bullied people as well.

But throw away.

And how many other Shawn Harpers are out there?

There's a future NFL player out there, right?

I mean, I barely started, I started high school football, but there's a future NBA star, there's a future CEO, there's a future world changer, military, artist, physician, they're there, locked away, locked away under the chains of unbelief and self-hatred.

They're out there.

And unlike when I was growing up, we had more of a positive influence in our neighborhoods.

We had aunts and uncles and nosy neighbors.

People kind of cared about you now.

Everybody's here on their phone, looking at socials and no one cares about it.

Like, man, I have to do this.

I'm driven by that.

So is there something like the school anywhere want to reach out to you where they can get engaged with the program?

My website is actually that-

It should be in the show notes.

A QR code right there on that screen has all of my information.

I need to move that, but yeah.

Because I think it's really important to get the kids.

Once they get so old, they get embedded, they've got to pay the mortgage, have kids of their own.

I mean, I know people that complain about, as an adult, I don't get any help.

Or I've got to help kids that I don't know how to help.

What I'm trying to say is it's very important to reach people when they're young.

Yeah, so what I'm going to end up doing just based off of what you just said is, I think I'm going to open up, I believe I am.

I'm going to, you know, I do maybe 100 or so school assemblies, like every year or a year or two, all over the country, got a special price for them.

But I'm also going to open up a portion of my website to have resources on there.

Just motivational resources, suicide prevention, just a clearing house, and a plethora of information out there to just, you know, say, here, here's a lifeline.

You can do it.

You're on the Internet anyway.

Take a look at these resources.

And then we'll have a bake sale so we can raise money to fly Shawn here and hire him as a speaker to give a real presentation.

Heck yeah.

That's fine.

Or there's something else I'm juggling around.

If there's someone out there that does well, you know what, don't worry about it.

God will take care of me.

Just I will show up.

Right.

Yeah.

It'll work itself out.

Yes.

So looking back, how does it feel to have been voted most likely to fail?

And now you've, you're an NFL alumni and so forth.

Well, I mean, you know, I'm sharing a lot of personal stuff with you.

I'm super personal.

It's, it's, I have to bless them.

I mean, it feels great.

I have a load of responsibility now.

You know, I have to walk a little different.

You know, I have to carry myself a little different because so much is writing on my words.

But I tell you what I had to do in all this, is that I had to, I had to forgive a lot of people.

And I had to say to myself, which is really deep, I had to say to myself, okay, you did it.

What's next?

Because a part of me was still trying to do it.

I'm gonna be the best.

I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna do it.

You've done it.

You can rest now.

Be nice to yourself.

Huh?

Be nice to yourself.

Be nice to yourself.

Now, what else are you supposed to do?

You've done it now.

Yeah.

Which led you into the speaking and the high school programs.

This was recently.

I was still doing that, but now, now it's like, OK, you've done it now.

I see.

Now, what else do I need to do, God?

What's next for you?

Has it been?

Have you got clarity on that yet?

Yeah.

Well, I, I do a lot of, I do a lot of unofficial coaching.

But now I'm about to put it all together.

I got a platform.

I'm, you know, I'm, I mean, I'm about to go head first into just calling the king out of the kid of so many people just to unlock greatness and warriors.

Did you just make that up or is it one calling the king, the king out of the kid?

I like that one.

Okay.

A few times.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's now it's, the crowds are great.

But just give me a few people like, okay, boom, I'm going to unlock this person.

God used me to unlock this, to see this and you challenge you and push you to the next level.

I feel that.

Nice.

Yeah.

Any tips on that?

Yeah.

You're sending my way.

Oh, coaching.

Oh, you know, I do a lot of basically unpaid coaching too.

You want to help everybody.

And like you said, in the end it will work itself out and then you get the big clients or the people who have the money.

And and you know, it works itself out, Shawn, right?

Yeah.

If someone's maybe we already covered this.

We talked about a lot of kids, too, but take an adult or person of any age, they're feeling stuck and they're struggling.

And, oh, I know, I know what I want to ask you is, what if you don't know it's the NFL, but you know I'm not happy and it's because I know there's something else.

I don't normally use the word God, but we're on the same page with that a little bit.

So I say, well, God has a bigger purpose than me working as a cashier here and at the drugstore.

And I'm fine with cashier job, but I know there's something bigger.

I don't know what it is.

It's not the NFL.

I'm not a, you know, I'm not fast and strong.

Any ideas for them, how they could tap into what it is?

So you have to strip the chains and the constraints.

So like example, you know, if money wasn't an issue, if fame and fortune wasn't an issue, if prestige wasn't an issue, what would you do?

It's like, I would be a missionary.

There it is.

And that's one way.

The second way is, is you got to go back.

You got to go back to where you still had dreams.

You know, when I would do school assemblies, right?

The elementary kids would be fired up like, ah, I'm gonna do great things.

And then the middle and high school kids would be so refined, like, oh my God.

What happened?

They broke the dream.

They broke the dream.

When my son, so I homeschooled my son till like the fifth grade, right?

And I put him in this prestigious school.

Like the third day he came home crying and he said something, oh, and it broke my heart to this day.

He said, Dad, they're trying to kill my creativity.

I can feel it.

I can't.

At least he was sensitive enough to know that.

They're trying to kill it, Dad.

They're trying to kill it.

And I'm like, go on it.

So you got to go back to where it's safe and say, what is my dream?

Dig it up, rehash it, rebirth it and move it.

And speak it.

You were clear on that in your video.

Speak it out loud.

Tell people, this is it.

Speak it.

Declare it.

And the more crazy it is, the more I love it.

And the more crazy I love it.

I don't want a mediocre dream.

Like if I was God, I say, what kind of dream is that?

Like in building the car, do you want a jalopy or a Ferrari or whatever you're building?

Like dream big.

I know it's cliche saying, but huge.

Or whatever your dream is, it can be a small dream too.

Whatever it is and you speak it.

And people, one thing I've seen is people, the naysayers are the ones afraid to follow their dream.

Like afraid to try to get in the NFL and maybe even faster than you.

Or the naysayers are the ones who don't believe they can achieve it or they hate themselves because they didn't go for it.

Right.

And their success is reflecting on their perception of their personal failure.

And if you want to save them, save yourself first because what I've seen is, when you do what other people are afraid to do, like climbing Mount Everest.

Now, you know, everyone climbs it if they have enough money.

But the first person that climbed it, everyone said you're going to die, the altitude is too high, you can't breathe up there and so forth.

As soon as one person does it, like probably in the NFL, right?

As soon as they say that record of a number of passes or seasons or whatever it is, it's hard to break, it can't be broken, right?

Like running a mile under.

As soon as somebody runs the mile, then everybody else does it.

Everybody follows their dream.

World becomes a happier place.

Trendsetter.

You know what?

There are people who are called to be the trendsetters, and they take a lot of lashes, they take a lot of criticism, they take a lot of rejection, but they are the tip of the spear.

They are like a perfect example.

Tiger Woods.

His father experienced so much racism when he was trying to play golf and doing this, and he was the tip of the spear, and he paid the way for his son.

He said, now, where I stop, you're going to explode it.

Yeah.

So what's next for you, Shawn?

You said coaching.

I did notice, and this will be in the show notes, you have a couple of different websites, one for your speaking, probably the corporations, I guess, and the other one is one-on-one coaching with people.

That's the one you're trying to develop?

So it's like already up, I already coach unofficially by invite only.

Okay.

But now I'm going to open this thing up and just put my energy into coaching people practically full time.

I'll have maybe a course or this and that.

I have a lot of stuff up now, but I've never flipped the switch, and I'm about to turn the switch on, so you know what?

This is what I do.

Don't be confused listeners, right?

It's not coaching literally to be an NFL or football player, it's coach to follow your dream and the mindset.

Shawn calls himself The Winologist, right?

Winologist.

How to win, yeah.

Yeah.

How to win, follow your dream, and do whatever you want to do.

Yes.

Yeah.

That's it right there.

Anything else you want to add we haven't talked about?

Well, you know what?

I live my life on three words, right?

It's live, give, and forgive.

That's it.

Live, give, and forgive.

And I'll just focus on the living aspect of it right now.

The living aspect is that so many people in Western culture, we spend so much energy trying to develop momentum, right?

We develop, I got to get this, and this next meeting, and this next deal, this next opportunity, momentum, momentum, momentum, right?

But what happens oftentimes is that we lose the moment.

And I'm learning, and I'm still learning, that if you take care of the moment, if you're present in the moment, the momentum takes care of itself.

And what happens is that you live your life in so much momentum that you neglect the present, that the present becomes the past.

And then you get to a certain age in life where you begin to live in the past, then you're still not living in the moment.

There's a lot of regret and pain there.

So you have to maximize your moment.

Live, maximize your moment.

Give the attention and your attention and your energy to the moment and let the momentum take care of itself.

That's probably something learned in sports, because if your attention is not on the game, on the ball, on the play, anywhere else, you're done with.

Yeah.

They call it focus.

You know?

Yeah.

Which makes me have to focus to think about what focus means, instead of just stay here.

Where'd you go?

Stay here.

But I like your word that we talked about just now is attention.

It's because now it's not just this, it's all of this.

It's your heart, it's your emotion, it's everything is in present.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And speaking with Shawn Harper, his website is shawnharperwins.com, calls himself The Winologist.

There's a free ebook on his website, The Winning Edge, Learn 8 Principles, that will bring out the winner of you.

Details are in my show notes.

If your organization or company is planning an event, he's available as a speaker and also one-on-one coaching.

Yeah.

Shawn, thanks for so much for being on my show.

You know what?

Thank you.

You have such a calming energy about yourself.

I can't even get fired up around.

I'm trying to get like, but I can't, right?

I'm just like, yeah.

Well, you know what?

A lot of people have done that.

Tony Robbins does it.

I'm kind of like, well, it's nice for a moment and then it wears off and you're like-

It does.

It does.

It does, it does, it does, it does, it does, it does, I mean, hey, you're right.

So yeah, I'm in the Zen.

I'm Zen with you.

Yeah.

All right.

Thanks, Shawn.

Have a great day.