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My guest today is Dr. Douglas Estrada

Dr. Estrada is a regenerative medicine expert and curator of Silver Scrubs, anti-microbial medical apparel made with materials that provide shielding from EMFs, electromagnetic fields.

He's on a mission to raise awareness about health effects due to electromagnetic field exposure, especially for health care workers who, he says, are surrounded by radiation, wireless technologies, and stress all day long in their workplace.

Welcome to my show, Dr. Estrada.

Thank you very much.

Thank you for that intro.

So you're a long and lengthy background in terms of your expertise and your medical expertise.

So I skipped over a lot of your technical background with the medicine and how you came to this.

We'll get to how you did come to this, but real quick for listeners who don't know the term EMF, or they've been so misinformed by all the nonsense out there, and there's a lot of it.

What's an EMF and what are the potential health effects?

Sure.

So EMF typically stands for electromagnetic fields or electromagnetic frequencies.

So when you're talking about the fields that we're in, that's basically what we're swimming in every day.

So if you pull up your Bluetooth, or even your Wi-Fi settings on your phone, for example, anywhere from like five to a dozen frequencies come up.

And these are frequencies that are literally just in the environment constantly.

So us as big organisms, we don't necessarily feel it one second to the next.

We don't really feel sort of the effects in real time.

What we do feel is over time, cellular stress.

We have cellular inflammation.

People will typically, who are more sensitive than others, and everyone's a little bit more sensitive than others, but generally there will be some fatigue, insomnia, sort of this constant awareness of sympathetic response, which means basically like a fight or flight.

It can cause a subtle fight or flight instinct all the time, all day long.

And that is, you know, a place where we don't necessarily rest and recover.

It certainly can affect our sleep and our recovery, as far as, you know, when we get our deepest sleep, that's when really we're regenerating.

That's when our hormones reset and regenerate.

So our hormones are greatly affected by EMFs over time, especially at night when you have Wi-Fi and you have your phone near your head or near your body.

And it is sort of distant dependent.

So the further you are away from that source, the less it can affect you to a degree.

But again, you are swimming in it constantly.

So whether you put it on, your neighbors do, you know.

So did you, I'm just imagining now that you framed it, how we're swimming in this super stuff.

Like I'm a whale in the ocean and someone's got sonar and I can hear it and it's bugging me.

Because normally there's nothing in my ocean.

Did you at work, how did you come about to recognizing this, being aware of it, doing something about it?

Were you at work in the hospital, started to feel sick and go, man, if I go home, I feel better.

I go to work, I'm surrounded by this stuff.

And then you go to figure out it's EMFs, and that's the problem when you do something about it?

Yeah.

Well, so it's a combination of things.

So I'm a naturopathic doctor by training.

So we learn a lot of environmental medicine in our studies.

It's a four-year doctor program that sort of parallels the MD program.

But then we learn about a million other things.

We learn about environmental toxicity.

We learn about a lot of infectious things.

We learn about herbs and physical medicine and all kinds of things like that.

But when it comes to environmental medicine, we are so inundated with all of these things that...

I learned that I was very sensitive to it.

And when I was sleeping my Wi-Fi off, for example, I would study better, I would wake up more refreshed.

And that was part of it.

I've always been very empathic and very sensitive.

So I'm sort of a canary anyway.

When I got really...

I actually got mold-toxic kind of in the first early days of the 2020 lockdowns.

And everyone was shut down, people weren't really opening up, everyone was kind of scared to go outdoors.

I was living near the ocean, near the beach in Lucadia, which is like in Encinitas, California.

And everything everywhere got moldy.

I mean, it got super humid, super moldy.

And I actually had a car accident.

Someone rear-ended me on my way to a house call.

I was doing a house visit, doing some IVs during that time.

People were very scared to go out.

So there was a lot of concierge medicine sort of that fruited out of that.

But after I got a whiplash concussion, because I got rear-ended really badly, I was kind of okay.

I had a lot of sort of the adrenaline, the epinephrine, orpinephrine adrenaline going.

And I finished my day, went back home and crashed at like two or three in the afternoon.

This was like six in the morning when it happened.

I crashed and I woke up the next day and I couldn't think.

I was, I knew exactly what had happened.

The mold that I was exposed to now crossed into my blood-brain barrier, across the blood-brain barrier.

And now I was foggy.

I called off all of my appointments for the next three weeks.

And then since that time, I ended up getting more and more sensitive.

So when people were, you know, there's a lot of cell phones around me, and whether it was conferences or concerts, I would get more and more toxic.

I would just feel ill, like I would get nausea.

I would just never really feel well.

And I realized once I started wearing EMF-blocking clothing, so I would wear shirts.

You can get underwears and shirts.

There's a lot of different companies out there, you know, making some traction.

And I would feel better.

I would sleep better.

I would wear them to sleep, you know, regardless of where I was, I would kind of wear them under my clothing all the time.

And so I was working in different clinics.

I was working three different jobs at, you know, once I got kind of out of that mold toxicity, repaired myself, I was able to start getting back to work.

And then it was just uber, uber sensitive to everything.

So I couldn't really function without my EMF-blocking clothing.

And it made all the difference to me.

And basically the Silver Scrubs that you sell now, that was a evolution of what you literally would wear to work.

Exactly, exactly.

So I would wear the shirts, because I needed to.

I mean, I would be more functional.

I literally would feel so much better.

I had energy and focus.

And then I wear the scrubs on top of it.

So it was always two different garments, you know, and I would wear, you know, and no one really had any pants.

So I would just wear underwear.

Nobody knew that you were a little crazy.

So yeah.

Yeah.

So you get your tinfoil hat, but you work under, you know, so no one really sees it.

So it's kind of like that.

But out of that, and I was working with my business partner.

So I'm co-founder.

I have a partner that that helped me develop the product line.

And he's got a lot of experience going in and out of China.

So we were able to kind of work with the factories and that kind of thing.

But we're talking one day, we were making hats first.

We started making hats, you know, and we were because hats are really cool.

They're easy.

I love to protect my brain.

I'm I also did a deep study in functional neurology.

So like the brain and the central nervous system is very important.

And let's you know, that's when we're on top of hats, which means literally you wear a tinfoil hat.

It's silver.

But yes, it's the equivalent because it blocks out sort of like those rays, you know, that when we're talking about why would you wear that?

Well, you're blocking out the rays of of the frequencies.

And it's a broad range.

I mean, talking about 5G, it's a very broad range of frequencies.

It's not one.

It can go up to 60 gigahertz, you know.

So there's this huge.

So there's the simple like tinfoil, literally solid material, which for those not familiar with the physics, all this radiation follows the same principles of visible light.

So if you could see light, you want to block it, tinfoil blocks it pretty well, reflects it basically.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But where I'm going with this tinfoil thing, that's a question, it's a conundrum for me, is while that would reflect some stuff, it also is an antenna, literally, as well, right?

The fact if you have a piece of metal, it acts as an antenna for the low frequency stuff like power line, electric fields from electric power, from wires in the walls and stuff.

How does, what's your comment on that?

My concern, well, I am shielded from maybe the Wi-Fi.

I'm also an antenna for other types of field at the same time.

One better than the other?

How do you, what's your comment on that?

Well, it depends on the fields that you're in, but generally speaking, it works to ground you.

So if you're touching the ground, even if you have rubber soles, it attenuates meaning balance, not balances, but it reduces the signal.

So there is some reflection too.

It also spreads the signal very wide, so very quickly and wide.

So it's kind of like it degrades the signal very, very quickly.

Oh, when you said rubber shoes, I hadn't thought of that.

You would be insulated from the ground, so you'd be more of an antenna because you're not grounded, to which, have you thought about, you can't do it on your car, drag a chain, it'll start a fire.

And you might trip over it, like shoelaces.

Silver shoelaces, where you're not wearing rubber, you probably don't.

Do you wear rubber to ground yourself at work?

What kind of shoes do you wear?

Yeah, so I work barefooted, actually.

We're in socks.

So I actually converted, I have a house that I converted into a clinic, and so it's very EMF safe.

I mean, there's still EMF, we have Wi-Fi, we have devices and stuff like that.

But I also have my EMF blankets in-house, so people will cover up with them if there's any concern.

Barefoot, I love it.

It's inductive, but it spreads the signal so wide and so quickly, it doesn't do as much harm.

So when you're actually testing direct radiation through it, to your point, it blocks 99.9% of most of the frequencies, and it goes down to 99.67 at the higher frequencies.

Well, is it because it's a fabric, it's not a solid tin foil, it's like a screen, like a lumen screen?

Yeah, so it's a loomed fabric, right?

So it actually has like the silver bound around the fibers.

So it's like oiled around.

So it's like a microwave oven.

I mean, not in a bad way, in a good way.

You can look at your food cooking in a microwave oven, you can look through the door, right?

And I was wondering, how does it not, the microwaves not come out and get your eyeballs?

Because when we're kids, they would say, don't look at the microwave.

It turns out it's the size of the holes in the screen, just the right size that the wave can't fit through the hole.

So what you're describing is, if you have a fabric that you made, that's designed for a certain spectrum of waves, it can't get through the holes.

But that's how the microwaves work.

That's the other portion is that it's an actual grid.

It's a physical grid as well as the effect of the conductivity of spreading and what's called the situation of the signal.

I interrupted you at the hat.

Tell me what else you got.

Then you have the scrubs.

Well, I love the hat, because it makes me think so much more clearly.

It actually cools down the brain, and that's kind of the more common thing when people try it.

We've done some conferences, and we've just got some demos, and we're like, hey, doing an evaluation, what are you feeling in your head?

Most people don't check in because we're sort of like that frog in the boiling water.

We don't realize it because every day it's just a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more, versus jumping in the hot water.

Well, you know that's really hot.

But if you're just slowly cranking up.

So do you tell your people, your clients, your people about a product?

By the way, you cannot wear your Bluetooth wireless earbud under your tin hat.

You ought not.

You ought not wear it.

Yeah.

Essentially, you're kind of trapping it inwards, right?

Exactly.

Then it's going to bounce around inside your hat, bounce off your head.

It can't get out.

It's like the microwave oven again.

Do people get that?

Are they clear on that?

You can't wear your phone in your pocket if you have the Silver Scrubs because, again, then you're blocking that phone inside next to your body, right?

It can't get out.

Well, the inner lining will have it, right?

So you're still blocking yourself away from it.

So anywhere where there's like a hole or seepage, you're going to have sort of that field effect.

It will come out, but it will be much weaker than if you had it fully exposed.

So in your pocket, sometimes the phone will actually go to one bar, sometimes up to zero bars, you know?

But-

Right, but then if it's doing that, then your phone's going to try to put off more power, it's going to be more harmful to you.

What I'm saying is you shouldn't have your phone in your pocket if you're wearing this stuff, right?

Generally speaking, you shouldn't have your phone, your vital organs, your sex organs, your testes or your ovaries or your breasts.

You know, women, a lot of times at the gym, they'll have that like right there in their breast pocket, and it's very, very sensitive tissue.

You know, and what I was saying before is that when people wear that hat, there's this cooling effect, right?

The same happens when you wear it on your body.

There's this cooling effect.

There's just like this less buzz that allows...

Oh, because it's a mesh too.

It's not solid.

So there's air movement because it's some kind of mesh material.

Well, it's breathable.

Yeah.

Breathable, yeah.

Yeah, so it's still, I mean, it's still a scrub.

So it's an industrious product.

I mean, it's a very sturdy fabric.

It has to be, right, for blood products and how many times you have to wash it and all that kind of stuff.

As far as the scrubs, but yeah, the mesh is, it's really cooling.

It's really nice when people, you know, they check in and do that sort of, yeah, I didn't realize there was like a little pain or a little warmth.

They put the hat on and it's like, ah, it's just like literally the sigh of relief that happens.

So do you, tell me, do you have any other colleagues in the healthcare industry that are wearing these to hospitals that we can't tell because they've got their regular scrubs over the Silver Scrubs?

We have a few.

So we put out a few, a few dozen scrubs on our first set.

Right now, we're finalizing a 2.0 fabric and that should be out hopefully in the next 45 days.

So we're taking pre-orders for that.

And now we want it to really perfect the product.

But we do have a lot of people wearing our hats, our blankets have made it into clinics.

We've done some bulk orders for people who see a lot of patients and people are loving all that as well so far.

We also have the cell phone pouches as well.

So some people, if they don't want to wear the full body suit, you can put it in your pouch and put that in your pocket.

And so long as you leave a little bit of seepage, it's greatly reduced compared to what it would be otherwise.

I'm not following the seepage thing.

It seems like you're saying it's still okay to have your phone on you if you wear one of these.

You're going to be affected if the phone is on.

And if you're wearing a pouch, maybe I could just pull up the pouch.

Even if the phone is off, I learned this with my climbing, where I never took my phone before, but with the new satellite capability, it's actually kind of useful if you need an emergency.

Then my battery went down even with my phone off, because phones have this find my phone thing in case you lose your phone.

Which works for many months after it dies.

Yeah.

Well, you literally can't just turn off your phone.

You have to enter the password and make sure you shut all that down every single time you turn your phone off.

And even then, I think the only way to know would be to measure it, test the phone with it off.

But anyway, just turning your phones off, not enough is what I'm telling you.

And go ahead.

Well, I think to your point, you can't necessarily escape it.

So it's like arm yourself if you can to the best of your ability.

I mean, protect that which is most important, which I would say certainly your brain and your vital tissue, your organs, your lungs, your liver, your heart.

But we were on the topic of if you have your phone on you, and you put the Silver Scrub on, now you're trapping radiation inside you.

I wouldn't clear on what you were saying about that.

Well, you're not trapping it, at least not with our product, because there's a layer.

That's where I guess the term seepage would come in.

So if it's in your pocket and the whole pocket is lined, so it's a Faraday pocket essentially.

It's a Faraday cage that's a fabric.

Anywhere where there's not complete coverage, like 360, like an orb coverage of that, there's going to be seepage.

So if you think about a Taurus, if you look at the field, so something that's creating a field has a donut, this field that goes in 360 degrees, kind of like a donut.

The phone has that sort of field.

Anywhere where you shut it down, well, a little bit will come out, so it will be a smaller field effect.

Literally, the bars will go low.

The actual intensity of that, if you measure it with the EMF meter, will actually go down.

I've kind of lost you again with the.

I'm on I know I'm on the I know what the Faraday cage is.

How I can't get a picture of your silver scrub when you when you're speaking about this where the phone is relative yourself script does still have a pouch you put your phone in.

The whole the whole thing is lined with the silver, so if you put it in your pocket, it will be in a little pouch.

Basically, the pocket creates the little pouch.

I mean, wearing the silver scrub, you're saying is the pouch.

So yeah, the silver scrubs, the whole thing is made with the silver lining.

So if you put it in your pocket.

So I have my phone in my pocket, my jeans, let's say.

And now I wear the silver scrub over my shirt or pants, right?

Yeah, if you're wearing it over it, yeah, you're trapping it on the inside.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.

Yeah, yeah, but you're wearing it under it, right?

You're wearing the scrub under it.

So I see like underwear, literally.

Yeah.

So instead of the whole pants is protected, like you're protected anything beneath that.

Oh, I was imagining you're in as a doctor.

Oh, right.

It's underneath your regular scrubs.

You have three layers of clothing.

You know, the scrubs is it's one garment, right?

So it's a silver line scrubs that is that is the protective layer.

So instead of that, like before, I was wearing the like pajamas.

It's kind of like pajamas.

It's a full on scrubs set.

Yeah.

So people wear them like pajamas.

People that kind of wore them, they wanted to just wear them around the house because there are a lot of other full body, full body products like, you know, what they are, they have pants and shirt is very limp.

And then you put your regular pants on over if you want.

But you don't have to because they're scrubs or functional.

So you can go in and go out in the workforce.

Well, nobody goes anywhere without their phone.

So the fact is, they're going to have their phone.

They're going to want to pocket, put it in is what I'm getting at.

So where do they put their phone?

Yeah, in their pocket, in their pocket, or they can get a pouch as well.

So they can get the pouch.

So it's an extra protective, you know, Faraday sack, you know, for their phone.

But the pouch, it's not like the pants are lined with the silver.

So it's always going to be protected.

So why get the pouch?

I'm being devil's advocate, like on your website, looking at the product.

Why get the pouch if I've got the underwear or the suit?

Or is it one or the other?

No, I mean, the pouch is an extra layer.

So for the, you know, if you don't want to wear, you know, your full body suit, let's say you have to go and wear something like the, you know, go out for a meeting or something like that.

It's nice to have.

I really recommend it around sleep because so many people wear their phones right near their heads or their brains because it's their alarm clock.

So you can kind of cover it up, have it in the pouch and really protect yourself from it being the little EMF bomb at night.

But it's an extra layer.

So you know, there's not everyone wants to wear scrubs, right?

So it's not going to be, you know, for every person.

The scrubs is more of a demographic of the people working in hospitals, clinics, med spas, and you know, anyone doing massage, you know, those kinds of things.

Those are the big things.

Today, I'm put it in a pouch.

First comes to mind is why not just turn it off or put it away from the bed.

But let's say your parent in, you need to know where your teenager is, you know, at midnight, so you can't do that.

I think what a lot of people don't know is that technology wise, the, you know, the people like Steve Jobs, for example, with your computers, he didn't care about how big, how much power does my wireless mouse need?

It doesn't need to go to Mars.

He didn't care.

So with the phones, they don't really care anyhow except for your battery life.

So the reason you can put it in your pouch and it still works is the phones really don't need that much power to be used if you're at home normally.

You're not on the freeway where there's not a tower for 20 miles.

There's one probably on the street corner.

So you can put it in the pouch and technically, your phone will, like you said, you'll still get plenty of bars.

Yeah, you'll get some signal, but it itself becomes less powerful to you.

It's less affecting your cells and your skin.

So it's transmitting receiving the same power.

So it's not really has anything to do with...

It's just reducing the...

Back to your Faraday cage example, keeping most of it in the box except for what leaks out and leaks in.

Some has to leak in, the same amount has to leak out, otherwise the phone's not gonna work.

I mean, I think at the end of the day, the more coverage you have, the better.

I mean, that's why we do the blankets, especially at night.

So tell me about the blankets.

Sure.

Yeah, we have a couple of sizes right now.

We have a baby blanket that's got a little hood in it, so you can wrap up the baby in a nice hood.

And we have on our website, we have lots of pictures of it, silverscrubs.com.

And you can go out all the blankets of different sizes.

We're making a larger blanket now too because of the demand for it.

But people love it.

It's basically a Faraday shield.

You know, you can wrap yourself in it.

We've got people like in...

Well, it's not a Faraday shield.

You said it leaks a little bit.

A Faraday cage doesn't leak.

Yeah.

Well, it's like a fabric that you can use.

So if you do wrap 100%, it becomes like a Faraday cage.

But it's...

You couldn't wrap 100% either because it's a screen.

It's not solid.

So only the frequencies that are blocked by, they can't get through the holes, won't get through the holes.

Other frequencies will get through the holes.

It would have to be a solid material to be a truly Faraday cage.

I mean, if you say so, there's also the point of when you test it, you can reduce it down to 99.999% when you talk about how many decibels are getting through.

You put your EMF tester inside the blanket.

I take it.

Yeah, you can do it.

We also have a third-party lab that tested it too.

So we tested it out in a couple of different labs as well.

And your analogy on your story earlier is a great way for people to do this themselves.

They can just put their phone under the blanket and they should see less bars, right?

Yeah, you can.

Yeah.

And you know what's interesting too to the point of like things are getting stronger.

The newer phones have a lot.

They keep producing, you know, and some of those will still produce a signal beyond what you can kind of cover.

It's a lot harder to cover them, you know.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

No matter what fabric you get, as long as it's based on the size of the hole, something's going to get through some frequency.

It's not made for, you can't make it for all these frequencies.

You can't.

You can't block 100 percent of it.

That's for sure.

There's something that's going to get through.

But if you take your phone and put it under the blanket, you should see less bars.

Yeah, you can get less bars than the older phones.

Some of them will completely lose their signal.

Have you ever, you know, are you familiar with the grounding cloths?

The people call them, I don't know what they call them, bedsheets that you sleep on, you plug in to the outlet to lower EMFs.

Are you familiar with those?

A little bit, yeah.

How's your blanket different from that?

Because your blanket doesn't plug into something, you just wear it, right?

It doesn't plug in, so it's not essentially a grounding unit.

You know, it's not meant to go to the, you know, a grounding cable way down to the earth.

And grounding physically means, like, you're actually getting, you know, connection with the earth, and you're disseminating whatever's through that.

And theoretically, you're getting some ionic return, too.

You're getting some exchange, you know, especially when you're barefoot on the earth.

That's a long six-beard conversation.

To prove it, there's no data on that.

That's philosophical.

I agree with putting my feet on the grass works, measuring that scientifically.

Yeah.

The reason I asked is because those plugged into the ground, the idea is the ground voltage is zero.

So your Faraday cage example, now you're technically laying on a zero plane of voltage, your low frequency voltage from your power, electrical power.

That doesn't shield you from what your product does, the high frequency stuff.

But on the flip side, it sounds like then you understand your product's not meant to shield from the power, the wires in the wallets to shield from the cell phones, the Wi-Fi, the high frequency stuff, right?

So you would essentially need both if you really wanted to be fully covered.

Or ground, someone would have to take a grounding clip and clip themselves to your blanket to get both maybe.

Yeah.

And that's an interesting point.

It would be great if you could do both, for sure, because anything that would come through would eventually just get lost through.

I can see an easy way to get both.

People that have the grounding cloth already, use the cord they already sold with that and attach it to one of your Silver Scrub blankets with just a little metal clippy.

Yeah.

I mean, it could be.

And now you're grounded.

Maybe we'll test that out.

You're both grounded and high frequency protection.

Yeah.

It wouldn't even be a whole lot to weave it in somehow, or just like you're saying, have a clip, something we could as an attachment do.

That'd be interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The old school way that I learned was, you just go to the hardware store and you get a spool of cheap wire on a spool because you need like 50 feet of it.

And then you just cut one end off, attach it to a tent stake, and take the other end, attach it to anything that you can metal.

It has to be metal, the wire, and attach that to your cloth.

Don't nod the electrical outlet, people.

It's hazardous.

The ground outside, the earth ground.

You can't go wrong if you put it in the ground, tent stake.

Don't mess around with the electricity, the wall outlet.

It's dangerous.

Yeah.

Yeah, fair point.

Well, it's interesting about the ionic sort of exchange or at least the theory of that.

When you're talking about like diabetic wounds, for example, that was one of the studies they did was that diabetic wounds, it would not heal, and they were giving all these medications.

And they had people stand outside barefoot 15 minutes a day, and their wounds would heal in a few weeks.

What do you mean by ionic?

What's the, what's ionic?

What do you mean by that?

Voltage, you know, getting below voltage potential, so increasing the voltage potential.

Oh, static electricity, I think was one idea when they said ionic.

I'm building up charge, like my feet would go over the carpet, and I get shocked when I touch the light switch, because static electricity, is that what you mean by ionic?

Grounding?

I wouldn't say that it's a static, you know, electricity that you're building, because it's not like you're creating friction.

So like the people who are just barefoot on the ground and their wounds are healing, you know, one of the reasons wounds don't heal is because there isn't enough millivoltage potential.

There isn't, or there's an erratic amount of voltage around.

You ever read The Body Electric?

25 years ago.

Yes, 20 years ago.

Kind of a classic.

Yeah, kind of a classic, right?

But they talk about-

A classic in principle, not so much in data, but in principle.

Very good, Phil, like halfway there.

Science, to me, as always, people get beat up if they say science because people think it's truth, dogma, or philosophical.

No, it's a study of.

That book was more like in between.

Not so much-

not data heavy.

Yeah, I mean, I would agree.

It was a really good eye-opener, I think, for some really investigative process.

Like, oh, well, if you look at it.

So back to diabetes because that's a huge issue for, I'm staggered by how many people and feel bad for the real ones and the wounds.

Myself, I can speak to that.

I've had, you're not going to believe, is blisters on the back of my feet from rock climbing that takes six months to heal.

If I get a blister, if I get a blister hiking six months.

And I blame it on diabetics, but it's not true.

I'm intrigued by this idea you say, stand on the lawn helped people.

Tell me about your study or your observation experience with that, helping people with wounds that need healing by just standing outside on the grass or the lawn or the park.

Go to the city park.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a really hard thing to quantify, I would say.

But when people are doing it, they tend to get better.

So I am a specialist in regenerative medicine.

I highly work with a type of stem cell called very small embryonic-like stem cell or V cell.

And so we see people heal faster with that.

When they can do that and ground, they heal exponentially faster.

So people who are doing it tend to heal faster.

The diabetic wounds in those studies, they were healing way faster.

And some people would not heal at all until they started to do this.

And what's really happening, I think we haven't really fully quantify that.

My theory is that there's increase in electric potential, that you're actually increasing the millivoltage charge in that area.

And maybe detoxing and maybe you're improving circulation at the same time as well.

Or getting outside.

Or the fact that you're moving your body, getting outside, maybe getting fresh air and sunshine at the same time.

I'm a big believer in the basics, getting love, oxygen, and water, and sunshine.

And maybe to get there, you had to walk, which means a little exercise.

There are a lot of variables there.

Sure.

And just doing something new.

Why do people get on a new diet and they lose weight?

Something different.

Now, there's a focus on it.

And they may plateau very quickly, or it may work, or it may be a fad that causes more damage.

So maybe this will help us a little narrow down the variables.

Do you know when you say people healed faster, did they just help people get outside?

Was it on their own?

Did they just literally have to go to the front door?

Could they sit on the concrete porch or in the rocking chair out the front door?

Were there any more Pacifics that you know of?

I tell people to get their barefoot on the dirt earth.

I think, again, without quantifying in a specific way, people get better.

My patients generally all get better.

And I even think, like I said, in the basics, getting sunshine, getting out, getting movement.

I mean, movement, to your point, is really, really critical, getting focused on that.

You know how often I go to city park at home?

I take my shoes off.

The moment I hit, I leave the concrete, hit the grass.

I don't see any, I see very other few people do that.

They'll be like avoiding the grass or their dog.

Their dog will be the one who's getting all the fun stuff.

Yeah.

And how happy is that dog?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You'll see him roll around the grass like I love the grass.

What if it's just loving the grass?

And people with their rubber soles going, you know, blocking their conductivity.

Yeah.

You were saying something before I interrupted.

Oh, I mean, so long as people are doing things, I mean, health and wellness is a, it's kind of like happiness.

It's kind of like the absolute value of all the variables, right?

If you could kind of add up all of these things and you're generally, you know, your emotional consciousness, you're kind of getting, you know, maybe have released some of these, some of these emotionals or traumas and things that are now running survivalistic programs.

When you can release that, you know, and that people start to get better.

When you get more love and more sunshine and when you eat a little bit more clean, when you get clean, structured water in, you see everything starts to shift and add into your favor.

And then there's this huge energy that happens, you know, just by having a little bit more attention and focus on these things and these micro habits that start to accumulate.

You know, these small things that overall make big, big swifts.

And it's like, I'm a big believer in free medicine.

Right.

Go outside.

That's free for most people.

I like that term, free medicine, the sunshine, the fresh air.

Yeah, you know, and those are EMFs too, right?

So there's electromagnetic fields too.

So not all of them necessarily are quote unquote harmful.

But I think the big harmfulness, you know, the big damage comes from the erratic nature and the spikes.

You get these spikes of radio frequencies.

You get very erratic signaling and cells kind of like predictability.

You know, people tend to heal better listening to Mozart and classical music.

Why?

Because maybe it's a neurological thing.

It calms the brain and it gets the body more parasympathetic.

So where you can start to regenerate, heal naturally.

But there's also this predictability.

When you talk about some of the studies they've done with like autism, for example, in listening to very structured music, well, these kids tend to get better.

They have more social awareness.

They're able to be touched more and play more and stuff like that.

Just being exposed to Mozart, right?

So that's an electromagnetic frequency too, right?

So there's these beautiful ones when they're sound in order, you know, or the tissue organizes the brain, calms the nervous system.

Well, you know, so I want to sound in Mozart, because I think that's great, listening to Mozart.

Then a thought occurs to me, if you're going to do it, do it right.

So I see the guitars on your wall.

You'll probably get this.

My nephew doesn't, so he's in college, young guy, and he thinks it's hip to buy vinyl, get some good quality analog, get the whole way of old school radio.

Then he's using ear buds, wireless headphones, which means when cell phones came out, there was this theory that one of the reasons it's causing harm versus the old school radio so much is, old school radio was literally a wave that you put out just like a speaker makes vibrations.

Digital stuff, as you mentioned, is pulsing.

It's ones and zeros on and off, and you can never get it to be smooth no matter how much your data rate is.

So if you're going to listen to Mozart, I think you should listen to it on the old school vinyl would be best.

Let's face it, not everybody can do that, but a CD is better than your MP3.

Your MP3 is the worst possible to get the data to go faster on your phone and not have it interrupt.

No matter where you are on your phone, not have your music interrupted.

They make those pulses.

They basically chop stuff up into as big as pieces as they can, so you don't get it interrupted and it's not smooth.

That's an interesting point.

Yeah.

I might add my recommendations.

I make sure it's as old school as possible if you can get vinyl to it.

Now, long the terms of all this topic, do I feel a difference or not?

Because some people are not going to feel a difference wearing the Silver Scrubs, even if it's good for them.

They're not that sensitive.

I can't hear a tonal difference, the music to me, CD versus vinyl.

I'm not audio file type, but that doesn't mean my body can't tell the difference.

Correct.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

I mean, some people are just not sensitive.

They wouldn't know it until there was something festering.

Or they're not having the benefit, like walking on the ground.

They're not having the benefit.

They may not receive the benefit.

Yeah.

Yeah, they won't receive it.

They'll still have the headaches or the stress or the slow healing is the bottom line, even if they don't hear the music differently.

You'd be surprised how many people identify with their illness or with that process.

I won't.

I'm not actually so.

Yeah.

Some people are not ready to heal and that's kind of a sad reality.

I have two types of clients in my environmental testing business, where I actually test for mold and electromagnetic fields.

One type is, how do we get rid of this so I can feel better?

And the other is, like you mentioned, they start with, I am electromagnetically sensitive.

All right, where is this going to end?

At least frame it differently.

They are owning their illness and I get it.

I get it, but it's not helpful.

You can't budge.

I think it's a slippery slope.

I think it's very dangerous because we live in this time of identity crisis.

There's a sort of vagueness out there that kind of wants you to confuse about who you are, where you come from, what gender you are, what's going on in reality.

They're trying to push this 2 plus 2 equals 5 sort of narrative.

And so you want to hold on to something, and people hold on to like hypothyroid.

And these IM statements to your point are very powerful.

You know, Christopher Reeves comes to mind, he's in the wheelchair and he died in the wheelchair.

Superman, yeah.

Superman.

In between, from day one, when he fell off the horse and was paralyzed, he never said, I'm paralyzed.

He said, I'm going to walk again.

It's basically just a matter of time.

It's sad story because he didn't.

A lot of people have with that mindset.

Whereas if you just say, I'm trying to think where to put this because I get both sides.

I'm sensitive to EMFs.

The way I put it to people is, I am, I feel it.

Okay, so what?

Like, let's move on to how we shield it or shield it.

A solution.

Why are we staying stuck on?

It's never going to be good enough.

It's never going to be good enough.

Okay.

Those are the people you're talking about.

But no matter where I go, I'm just, how would you, how would you say it better than I'm trying to express it?

Yeah.

I mean, I think we have to like, you know, like you mentioned, reframe, you know, where is this coming from?

You know, do you really agree with it?

You know, I kind of go to Logic 101.

Is it true?

Is it good?

Is it useful to have these thoughts?

You know, how do you have you actually checked in?

Have you done the mirror test?

Have you looked in the mirror and said, I am this?

You know, because is it does that?

You know, maybe that was true.

But is it still true?

Is it still happening?

Is it still, you know, and I look at it from the sense of that everything that the body does is perfect, you know, and we're also master manipulators of the cells and the structures within us.

So we can control that with our language, with our speech, with our thought.

And, you know, we can purify our thought and language.

And even to Christopher Reeves, you know, he may have said it, but did he believe it?

You know, there's this other layer of the intention and the belief and the faith of that.

And if there is a higher power in your light, in your life that guides you, then do you have, you know, faith and belief towards that?

And is that what's pushing you?

Because maybe you're made in that image, and maybe, you know, maybe that's sort of the guiding light.

But I think just, you know, having better phrasing is really important, because even that triggers the mindset, and it takes a little bit longer to work on the subconscious.

So for people who are sensitive, I'm up, literally, by the way, I've never had a hypochondriac, a hypochondriac client ever, and some of them sound pretty crazy.

A better way, I'm going to use perfume fragrance as an example.

And people ask me, Daniel, are you sensitive to fragrance?

Because like, you can smell that too.

That's a good way to put it.

Just say, I can smell that too, or I can feel that EMF, because I am sensitive.

It's not okay, and I know you live in a world where it's not bothered by you.

How can we get that lower?

Or would you mind not washing the sheets and fragrance, because I do smell them, even though you have a poor sense of smell, and they are bad for you.

And can you do this?

Can we get it lower?

Because there's nothing wrong with being, having the senses.

God gave them to us for a reason.

It's just like you're doing, doctor, you're framing.

Don't let it own your senses.

Everybody has senses to some degree.

We all do.

Just focus on the problem and the solution.

You know, I can say that you are special.

I am special in the sense that I'm going to come on to it.

You know, there's something that the earth or the universe or God or the world is trying to tell me that I can receive and I can try to make light of it.

You know, and there's something.

You know what I was trying to express is we were on, we're speaking of the people who never get well because they own it to like, it's never going to be good enough.

I'm never not going to be able to go someplace and not have this illness, that kind of thing.

I think we beat that one to death.

Well, it goes internally, like, you know, just to say that you are enough, if this person is enough, versus like there's some outside thing that has to make them more, to make them better, to make them stronger, smarter, whatever that is.

It's like it's actually from within.

I thought of a better, I thought of a mold, take mold, take your example with the mold.

Oh yeah, that was rough.

In this moment, I'm hypersensitive to mold.

Mold's not okay.

Neither are EMFs and perfume, but we got to live in this world.

I want to be able to live in this world.

My body is built to detoxify so much.

At the moment, I'm sick, and my body's not able to detoxify.

Even if I smell it, I want to get to a point where I can, my body is functional enough again, whether through the Silver Scrubs or eating healthy to where I can live a normal life and not stay sensitive.

It's too sensitive.

Yeah, yeah, and I mentioned it as a passing thing, right?

This is the moment right now, but it's not a permanent moment.

It's not happening forever, and it's not something by which I need to identify in a more permanent way.

So what else do you want to talk about in terms of your products, your Silver Scrub?

Where are you taking it in the future?

What's going on with it?

Yeah, well, I'm excited to get it.

I guess we're kind of refocusing on getting this a little bit softer fabric.

We're really keen on making a super fit, fashionable product as well as obviously a very functional product.

Oh, dude, you know that's marketing.

You got to have Taylor Swift one wearing concert and go, this protects me from all the EMS, from all the stuff when I'm doing my show and gives me a better sound on my microphone or something like that.

Yeah, we're reaching out to some influencers.

That's kind of the way it's done these days.

There are some good, some awesome nurses that are out there that have nice followings that kind of love the idea of it.

So we're working in partnership and collaboration with them.

And I'll send you some stuff as well, if you like.

I'll send you a couple of pieces of swag.

If you want to text me, you're at.

Sure.

Do you have any you want to put on real quick?

Yeah, I got some hats.

Yeah, let me put on a hat real quick.

I got the scrubs on.

These are the scrubs.

Sometimes I got the silver line.

OK.

I see you've got them under your under your shirt.

It is the shirt.

Yeah, let's see here.

So I got my hat here.

Oh, it looks like a regular baseball cap.

Like a regular hat.

You'd never ever know it's actually quite stylish.

So we like to make nice things we're trying to, you know, it took us a while to get it together.

We've been working on it for about two years.

I like it because literally my head starts to cool down immediately.

I feel it's like, oh, why didn't I put this on sooner?

It's great in airports.

I love it when I'm traveling, for sure.

I can focus more when I drive to LA.

So I'm in San Diego and I often have clients in patients up in LA.

So there's a lot of 5G towers, you know, and I'm being a conduit and a unique person that I can feel it.

Not everybody can see, they're listening.

Imagine a regular baseball cap.

When he said hat, the old school tinfoil hats, they used to look at someone who was wearing a boat on their head.

Yeah, a little goofy.

And it seemed like it came down to the ears and was just ridiculous.

This is cool.

You look good.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We wanted to make them stylish.

Good.

Now the shirt, you said you literally are wearing.

It's black.

Yeah, it's black.

So yeah.

So our uniqueness is that we've blended the fabric into a scrubs fabric.

So it's a poly blend, but it is actually silver.

So it is the shield.

I see now.

That's why I was getting so confused earlier when you said you were over it.

I used to.

I used to.

Yeah.

So that's kind of where the idea kind of came from, because we were just working on developing some hats, because one big thing about our hat is that we have silver in the bill, in the actual bill.

Not the other hats on the market do.

We've ripped them all up, none of them have it in the bill, which is going to protect your frontal lobe.

I mean, this is your executive function.

This is your decision making.

So we have extra protection here on the frontal lobe that no one else that I've seen.

Gets me back to my other question, because I hadn't seen the hat yet when I was concerned about, well, what if I wear my, I don't wear them, by the way, I will not put an earbud in my ear, a wireless earbud.

If you did, wearing your hat like this, your baseball cap, it's not getting trapped because it's completely opened.

And it's kind of cool the way just your skull is protected, your brain is protected basically.

You got the important part locked down.

Yeah.

And the bill, you know what's fascinating is I've found this in a military handbook on military medicine from the army and a used bookstore.

Turns out your eyes, kind of like a window, aren't shielded.

They're very sensitive to the EMFs, the radiation.

Yeah.

So having this bill kind of protects your eyes, like wearing sunglasses.

The military's solution was for soldiers to wear sunglasses if they were in high EMF, a lot of exposure for whatever they were doing.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I mean, that was kind of the thinking too.

And my eyes are quite sensitive as well to really bright and stuff.

And I do feel a different.

I mean, again, I'm very keen and I'm aware of these things internally and stuff, so I feel it for sure.

But it absolutely makes a different.

It's why your eyes are sensitive when you look at the sun.

It's an electromagnetic field.

Right.

Right.

Totally.

Yeah.

So yes, we added the extra layer here.

So that's one of the unique things that we have.

We do have the blankets.

Show me more.

Because you know, it used to be these these shields like this were pretty blah, just cloth.

So okay, tell me about the blanket.

That's a two-sided blanket, kind of double gray, dark and light.

And it's just a big bowl.

It looks like one of those fuzzy blankets, except it's, it does need more colors.

Gray, literally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love to do some more colors, but it's really nice to wrap yourself up in.

I mean, it's just very cooling.

It feels good.

It almost feels like there's this calming of the body and the organs and stuff.

We've had people in conferences just completely like wrap themselves in a bubble, and literally one lady, her pain went away.

She had this headache and all this pain on her right side.

Wow.

All the way down to her foot.

And she said it went away within three minutes of wrapping herself up and wearing the hat.

And it was remarkable.

And that's kind of a home run kind of case there, but we see a lot of calming, calming the nervous system, and how many are running empathetic overdrive.

Great.

Good work you're doing.

And one last question.

It's because I used to actually sell those earth mats.

This is 25 years ago when this stuff just came out, and you plug it into the ground and it grounds people.

I had like two out of five or three people, five, let's say, highly sensitive people.

I don't feel better.

I feel worse.

Yours is a different product application, and high frequency more than earth grounding.

What I tell them is, try it if you didn't like it, don't use it.

Everybody feels different.

Have you ever had that effect or if you did, would just tell people the same thing?

You know what?

It's complex thing.

They're like the magnetic field world.

Whatever's going on with you, nothing personal.

Just don't use it then.

Any experience like that or what would you tell someone who did?

Could they?

Yeah.

We've had a few people that are like, I'm not really sure I feel anything or no big deal.

But I would say the large majority, even the people who claim not to be sensitive, like I would never feel that, they put it on and they're like, you know what?

Holy crap.

They get pretty surprised, especially the hat.

We had an athlete at one of our conferences three months ago.

He was like, I'm not really that sensitive, but I understand EMFs are everywhere.

Let me try the hat.

So he tried.

He's like, oh my God, I got to get three of these.

The Cleveland Indians will all be wearing these special hats with the logo, right?

Nobody will have the advantage on the field that day.

Yeah, it'll be cool.

It'll be cool.

Yeah, we could put the logos on it.

We could do a whole branding, my marketing thing like that as well for whatever logo you wanted.

But largely, I would say that you're right.

I mean, it's a very complex thing.

Health and wellness, and to the point I think earlier I was making, that it's an addition or absolute value of all of the variables.

So EMF is one thing.

I think it's a big thing because we're literally swimming in it.

There's this sort of soup, this electro-smog sort of soup that we're in.

So you got to pick your battles.

You're not going to block 100 percent, but you can definitely feel better wearing the clothing that we make, the hats, the blankets.

And when your sleep is better, you're going to recover better.

So even just doing something around your sleep, turning off the Wi-Fi, getting the cell phone pouches or the blankets, anything like that, they would just imagine getting 10 percent or 20 percent better sleep.

How would you function?

It's exponentially because you're also recovering hormones.

One of the biggest pandemics right now is infertility.

How many couples and people are struggling to get pregnant?

And on the other side of it, there's a lot more people doing this dual-income, no children sort of lifestyle where the poverty has actually fallen.

I didn't know that.

In one of the way forgotten and misunderstood things about EMF, while they say they haven't proved it harmed you, they have pretty much proven way back in the day.

I can show you what the power company admitted.

I saved this stuff so no one can take it away with the Internet.

It ends up disappearing.

Yeah.

Where it was like basically a fact, the only thing we do know is it affects cell division, cancer from old school hot power lines or whatever, or radios, the fire, the police officers, the radar on the left.

Yeah.

Your doctor tell me could the infertility be anything to do with cell division?

I mean, I think sperm and the egg, if anything going together, how does it work?

Could that be a fact?

Maybe part of the reason why?

There's no question it's a factor.

I mean, even in very gross studies where you just put your cell phone on and you're measuring sperm count before and after, it reduces sperm count.

If you're looking at motility, the shape and the size, the swimming, the way that the tails swim, it retards the sperm.

It absolutely, they can show that.

That's very easily demonstrable.

And yet, no one's really saying, hey, don't wear it by your pocket.

Don't put it next to your testicles.

Because I get my honey and I get the large blanket, we go under and we cuddle and we get, and now, okay, now, now it's.

You're protected.

Yeah, you're protected, you know?

And it's really a matter of time because it takes, you know, the life cycle of a sperm to sort of regenerate.

So if you can block it for three to four months, you're going to have, you know, it's about 72 days, I believe.

If I remember my, you know, my physiology, it's about 72 to 78 days or so for the sperm to recycle.

And, you know, with ovaries, you know, they used to say that you have this sort of set amount of eggs.

Well, I know that's not true personally, because I've seen follicles increase by doing some of the work that I do, you know.

But regardless, yeah, when you're talking about cell division, well, that's the most sensitive areas.

You know, and in fact, that's why the testes are outside of the body, because even heat, even the body's heat can affect the replication.

You can have a jockstrap, or what do they call it, a cup for this?

You could have a cup, yeah.

We're going to be, we're working on some underwears as well.

You know, we wanted to hit the market from the medical and the scientific standpoint, so we have strong scientific understanding and backing with lab tests, certification.

On top of which, too, we didn't talk about, it's also very antimicrobial.

Nothing will grow on silver, right?

So it's antiviral.

So for workers that are exposed to a lot of the COVID and staff and other bacteria and all these things in the hospitals, well, there's going to be less shedding because literally they cannot, you know, culture.

We've actually got culture studies where nothing will grow on the silver.

They'd run staff and different viruses and bacteria and nothing will grow on it.

Yeah, there's an old school.

It's not high.

We used it for our swimming pool in Phoenix.

You put silver and copper into the water and the copper prevents allergy and the silver kills bacteria.

Yeah.

And they actually use it for wound care.

They use like silver spray and there's nanoparticle silver and all these kinds of things.

I use silver sometimes.

We work with them, you know, a lot of cases.

It gets taken out of context though, because then people think it's the answer to everything or preventing everything.

And no, it's...

You got to be careful with that.

It's not the silver bullet, as they say, right?

It kills all your problems and kills wear.

It's certainly better than if you're wearing bare cotton.

That's just food for any kind of microbe.

It's stacking the deck in your favor, right?

It's wearing the armor that you can, you know, and it's picking your battles because we're exposed to it.

And beyond EMF, there's BPA, there's all kinds of microplastics and volatile organic compounds and all these things that are in the environment also affecting the hormones and endocrine.

So if you start stacking these things, well, yeah, like your testes don't stand a chance.

You know, your sperm doesn't stand a chance, you know.

So quick tip for the infertility.

Well, you know, the woman's going to probably see the doctor frustrated.

It's my fault.

A man really should be not keeping his cell phone in his pocket.

And while he's waiting for your underwear to be put on the market, what else can he be doing to help with that, to limit his exposure to the EMFs, help with the sperm production?

So definitely a cell phone pouch would be a really good one, you know, so you don't have to wear the full body suit.

At least you're protecting, you know, from your phone itself.

But distance, it's all about distance.

So, you know, if you have to put it in your pocket, put it in like a cargo leg pocket or your butt.

You know, there's more meat back there.

Or just keep it outside of you.

I know it's kind of old fashioned or old school to have those clips.

But that's safe.

Honey, sorry, Mr.

Call.

You told me not to use my phone.

It was off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I'm trying to build up my reserves, you know, for the baby making.

And it's distance.

So, yeah, there is this sort of this distance curve that falls off, you know, once you start getting six inches a foot, two, three feet, it really falls.

So it gives me a reason to go play golf, to go play golf, too, because I can say I'm grounding myself, which is also helping with my sperm production.

Absolutely, and give yourself some breaks.

I think, you know, you don't have to have it on all the time.

Try to take at least an hour or two a day where you just don't even have your phone on you.

You'd be surprised how people don't do that.

When my phone, so I live in a small town, it's an hour to go to the Verizon store, and it was poor service when I went there, so I'm frustrated.

What do I do with my phone?

When I tried to get a double line on my phone, you know, you'd probably try this free business, I'll get a separate line.

And all of a sudden, my texting wouldn't work.

Just not having texting for two weeks, gosh, the less time I spent on my phone, how good I felt.

Wow.

It was absolutely incredible experience.

You can't do it on purpose because you're just going to, but if you had to do, if you did it, it's amazing.

Have you ever tried, have you ever done that, done without texting for?

I mean, maybe a day or two, but I've got so many patients and stuff.

It's, you know, it would be, it may be irresponsible of me to do that.

But yeah, you know, I'm trying to program even myself.

I mean, it's hard because I work 70 hours a week sometimes, you know, and I've got patients, they'll call me, you know, all hours, stuff like that.

So it's difficult.

But yeah, I'm working and weaving in more time.

I don't wear my phone on me all the time.

You know, I do have my scrubs on most of the time, so I'm pretty protected.

I put my phone down, you know, always away from me.

I toss it if I'm going to be passing out or falling asleep.

So I try to get at least about three feet from me.

Those scrubs, by the way, people not watching, listening.

Literally, I've got a black V-neck t-shirt on, and his scrubs don't look that much different.

It looks like a black V-neck, fashionable black V-neck shirt.

And that's the scrubs you go to work in, right?

I do every day.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Well, I appreciate that.

We work with fashion stylers as well.

So we've worked with some pretty good stylists and designers to get our products.

And so we're very proud of it.

Like I said, we're just refining, we're making the fabric just a touch softer, and we should have that final product in a few weeks, and then be able to deliver it hopefully within the next two months.

So 45 to 60 days is our goal.

You probably noticed that because you wear it every day.

Yeah, I mean, I know it's, you know, once it's actually come down a lot after washes, you know, washing it multiple times.

We've washed the crap out of them till we make sure that they can, you know, sustain that if I hadn't thought of that.

Yeah.

A lot of ground testing.

Like I said, we did the testing for EMFs, we blocked 99.9 up to 20 gigahertz, then at like 30, 40, it drops a little bit, like 99.7, something like that.

But those are space frequencies, right?

Is there anything on the ground that goes that higher?

Most everything you're exposed to, it's within 40 gigahertz or less.

So the 5G typically is at like the 5.4, 5.6 range or something like that in gigahertz.

But again, there's a broad range, there's all these spikes in radio frequency all up and down, and it blocks most all of that.

So most everything you're exposed to, it's in the 99.9% protection, which is awesome.

I mean, it's even...

So NASA, I'm not NASA.

Is it NASA?

No, sorry, sorry, the Air Force.

The Air Force is looking at this as...

There's another company that landed a contract for lining some of the shirts and stuff for the Air Force.

Back in the day, and we're talking the 70s, probably, the Russians, when there was the Cold War, the Russians in the United States, the F-16s, the fighter airplanes, the Russians used to put their stuff in a Faraday cage because they actually designed their aircraft to go old school, analog, and high electromagnetic to avoid, to be stealthy for some reason, I can't remember what.

But to do that, to protect the pilot or to make stuff work, they had to put stuff in a Faraday cage.

Yeah, and the Russians have been kind of ahead of the game when it comes to frequencies and sort of like the physics of medicine or biophysics.

I mean, they've done a lot of work with lasers.

And yeah, so they've been kind of ahead of the curve on some of those things, for sure.

I like the way you gone up all the way up to the 90 gig, and you say the whole spectrum, because I got a text from someone this morning, can you comment on this?

You know, you can protect your phone from 5G.

So what?

The new 5G has two frequencies, one here and one down here, which is less harmful than before.

And you're missing the point.

It's, you know, the frequency is going to change next week, month, year, you don't know when, because they're not going to tell you, you know, these are engineers.

They're not trying to be spooky and stealthy.

And they're not regulated.

There's no real regulation to stop them, even if it were harmful.

It would take them 25 years to, you know, out.

Here's the ironic thing, and I won't go down that rabbit hole too much.

It's not their fault.

It's yours.

You want to text faster, more data, more movies, and so forth.

They're just reacting.

It's like as an engineer, it's my job to make sure your call doesn't drop when you try to text a 10-gigabyte movie.

And you're mad if I tell you to shrink it to, or you can only text a small movie.

Why not?

When can we text a bit?

I'm scrambling to try to figure out how to do it.

It's not my fault.

Now you're mad because I use a certain frequency?

Cut them some slack.

It's not like they're the evil villain here.

Right.

Well, ostensibly, you're supplying demand, right?

That's just fulfilling the need, you know?

To which same person, you know, you can do this to switch your phone, not to use 5G.

Great.

So now you're just going to use your phone more at the lower radiation, in theory, which, you know, is not really true.

But let's say it's like a smoker saying, I've got low nicotine cigarettes now.

You're missing the point.

Do you know there's no such thing as a good cigarette?

There's no such thing as a good low phone, or even with the pouch, come to think of it.

I don't want to throw the baby out at the bathwater.

I sometimes think people are approaching things from the...

You put it good earlier, avoidance.

I think you mentioned, you know, get outside on the grass.

Don't use your phone two hours a day, stuff like that.

Yeah.

And you got to kind of have these little sort of habits, right?

They turn into larger habits or they just accumulate the healthy things in your favor.

Just like the unhealthy things will add up if you eat a bunch of fried food and you never sleep and, you know, you're just kind of exposed to all of this processed stuff and chemicals and phone all the time.

Well, you're going to have sort of a negative absolute value.

But if you, you know, eat a couple more vegetables, get some greens juices and get your bare feet out there, get some sunshine every even if it's five minutes, right?

At the end of the day, consistency with the good is exponentially more than, than, you know, constantly with the bad, if you will.

It's like you, even if you're healthy, have a hamburger once in a while.

Yeah.

And I think, I think there's something useful to that, right?

It's called a hormesis, right?

You know, there is something to hormesis and there's the, the reverse is true.

What is hormesis?

Hormesis is, is the exposure to a certain amount of stress that causes a positive and more valuable response.

So like working out, when you work out, you break down muscle fiber, you literally are breaking that fiber down, and then it rebuilds even bigger, right?

That's hormesis.

So like one glass of wine a day is hormesis, right?

So it's a little bit of an attack on the little bit of an inflammation for the liver, the gut, the cerebellum.

But then your responsiveness is that you actually, those people live longer, turn, come to find out.

It's kind of like once in a while, you got to take the Ferrari out of the garage and drive it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Once in a while, you got to stretch your legs out, eat a burger, eat some grease.

But because the opposite too, if all you do is super, super clean, the minute you get exposed to one little thing, it'll wreck you.

If I wouldn't eat McDonald's right now, I would be wrecked.

I would have really bad gut for a while, it would mess me up because I haven't been exposed to it in so long.

Not that I would, I don't think that's real food at all.

The same would happen to me.

I've tried it once and I'm like, oh, not going to happen.

Can't finish this.

I mean, food that doesn't degrade and that bacteria won't eat, like I question that for sure.

I've been speaking with Dr.

Estrada.

His website is silverscrubs.com, links are in the show notes.

Is there anything we haven't talked about, doctor, that you'd like to add?

Oh, man, I think we could go on for many hours here.

Yeah, we could.

I think we covered a lot of the EMF, and thank you so much for having me on your podcast here, and look forward to the release.

And I want to send you some swag so you can try it, make sure you can kind of feel the effects of it, because we're really proud of it.

I think some good things are coming around the next four to six months once we finalize our fabric.

So we'll have likely some other offerings, some underwear, shirts, stuff like that.

We're looking at some really cool stuff.

And I love the idea that you said with the grounding.

Maybe I'll look into that.

If there's like a clip or something, they could add an extra layer.

I think that would be really cool.

Yeah, aside from that.

You could add it, and then it seems like you're really good with measuring stuff.

You know, show me the data kind of thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's where we start.

I mean, that's why we did the clinical testing.

You know, we're doing the third-party certified lab testing as well, because we want it to substantiate, and not just say things like, oh, yeah, it blocks this, it blocks that.

So what it does, it does, and we want to make sure that we back that up.

I think that's important.

There's a lot of, do you know how, interesting fact, you know, the like the little cell phone, like stickers and sort of little devices?

Do you know how big-

20 years ago it started, yeah.

You know how big of an industry that is right now?

I'm shocked it.

Tell me.

In the US, it was $1.15 billion last year.

It's a billion-dollar industry, and most of them don't work.

I mean, there's no way to quantify it, right?

That's a lot.

Even if they did, here's the thought that came to mind, because I'm an engineer.

I've actually had friends that sold them, and good intentions.

Let's say it worked, that the headphones are a good example.

You put the sticker on the headphones, and because there's a product out there now that says, we have a microprocessor, picks up the frequencies and changes them, so puts them back out, you protect it.

All you've done now is put earplugs in.

So yeah, your ears don't hear it.

So let's say you're protected from the electromagnetic fields.

The rest of your body is not.

And what it's doing is like you're not putting your fingers in your ears to block the signal because you can't hear it while you're being bombarded with the sound.

That's what the military found with hearing.

Eventually, the vibrations get on your bones and they go up to your ears.

So your whole body is being affected.

Now you just fooled yourself into thinking you're not, even if it did work, which it doesn't.

It's the stickers just plain don't attenuate to that.

They don't do the, it's all extrapolation and twisted information that at the end of the day is a lie in terms of protecting you.

Right.

It either harmonizes or deconstructively interferes, which it's very hard to quantify.

And if it did, you wouldn't have much of a signal.

So, I mean, it doesn't stop the, the.

But you still took it out of context because what you just said is what they say makes it sound like our device did that to everything exposed to.

No, it's no different than I have a little radio, a transistor that picks up the signal and I transmit a new radio signal.

I'm adding something new to the soup.

I did not just take the whole soup away.

That's a really good point.

Yeah.

You know what's happening?

But they're making you think that because I broadcasted the signal, I now neutralize everything else.

No, it doesn't work that way, people.

You can't just turn on your radio in your car.

You turn it up, that's why people have the big boom, the big stereos.

I'm going to make myself heard.

But you can't short of that really, you're just making it noisier.

You're just making it noisier.

It's got its own little EMF going.

Yeah, I'm staggered by that.

That's like a billion.

A billion-dollar industry.

I mean, it's wild.

It's wild.

And no one knows if they work.

They're like, well, I don't know why.

And you look, everyone's got some sticker or something.

So then dive into the studies, and you only have so much time to do this.

And I'm an engineer, so I can quickly process information and categorize it in my head like AI logically.

If you're not able to do that, you get lost real quick and you believe the studies.

If you look at the studies really carefully, doctor, you're probably good at this because you get numbers, you get data, you know, frequencies.

You'll find if you read real carefully, there's not a black and white, as I'm saying, it got rid of the signal.

A key thing I like to do is say the person felt better, the blood pressure went down.

Yeah, it's because you pooled your body back to the earplugs.

Ears actually attenuate, your body actually will listen more if it needs to hear the sound or shut down.

It's not wide open all the way like you think, just because you can put a key tip in your ear and it's open all the time.

Inside, things are attenuating.

Anyhow, if you read all the studies really deep, you'll see in the end, they paid people, and the people they paid gave them what they wanted.

And it was highly in language they wanted.

And that's OK.

But at the end of the day, you won't find it real clear.

It got rid of the signal.

Got rid of it.

Doesn't, yeah.

And I think that's my point on some level is that you can't get rid of it.

Even if you got rid of your phone, you're still swimming in it.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, in a building, because I've done surveys at schools for cell phones where they're worried about the cell phone being outside, cell phone tower.

And I literally walk out the door and the level goes down.

It's amazing how many schools and hospitals are like that.

You go back into the school, I'm like, what is going?

Is the meter wrong?

And like, and then with a good meter, you can tune in on the frequencies to the cell phone tower and to the, you know, so, okay, this is from that tower.

What's on the tower?

These frequencies come back inside.

It's going up.

What is going on?

Like, look around.

Yeah.

And I thought I told everybody to leave their phone at home when I was coming to do this survey.

Do I need to come in on a weekend?

Yeah, you could come back on a weekend.

But that, but anyway, why bother?

Why bother?

It's not making a difference.

It's not your problem.

No.

And how many people are just exposed, whether they realize it or not, you know?

So the facts are happening one way or another.

So good product.

You're making service.

Love the hat.

Love the shirt.

Thank you so much.

Send me some swag.

I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah, happy to.

Yeah, just give me your address.

I'm happy to send you some stuff.

I've been talking to Dr.

Estrada.

His company is silverscrubs.com apparel, medical apparel, but other, it's street apparel, really.

How come you call it O'Cuz or Scrubs?

But the hat is not medical apparel.

No, and so yeah, we actually have the website silverwear.com, S-O-B-R-W-A-R.

So we're making a shift into that.

You know, our focus was really from a medical standpoint.

We wanted to really instantiate this product, make sure, because a lot of people out there are making claims, like, okay, well, let's get, and when you look at their testing, their testing is from like eight years ago on some prototype fabric.

It's no longer the fabric that they're using right now today.

You know, and so we were like, I don't know, there's a lot of, you know, what you're mentioning too, a lot of sort of these false claims, these, you know, these over overarching statements, they are necessarily, you know, verifiable or just not true in the first place.

Yeah, well, it's like air quality or anything with EMS, three ways to attack this.

One, you get rid of the source.

We can't get rid of the phones and stuff.

Two, is you filter it, reduce it.

That would be your shielding stuff, like an air filter or a shield.

Get rid of it or reduce it.

What's the new website, SILVER?

It's not up yet.

So right now, it's Silver Scrubs, SILVER, scrubs, scrubs.com.

You know, we should be launching maybe the next 30 days of Silverware.

So we're kind of differentiating the hats versus the blankets versus the scrubs.

What will be the website?

Will there be a new Silverware website?

Probably.

I want to get ahead of myself.

Putting in this, I'm typing and putting in the show notes.

I've acquired it.

We got to build it.

All right.

Well, so for the meantime, go to silverscrubs.com.

Yes, sir.

silverscrubs.com.

Thank you.

Thanks, Dr.

Estrada.

Thanks so much for being on my show.

It's been a great conversation.

Thank you, Daniel.

A pleasure.

We'll have to do it again.

Take care.

Take care.

Bye.