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Worthy Chaos Devastation Comics
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/worthychaoscomics/worthy-chaos-devastation

Worthy Chaos Redemption Books 1 & 2 plus HARDCOVERS (Issues 1-12)
A fight for survival against destiny and the forces of the underworld.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/worthychaoscomics/worthy-chaos-redemption-hardcover

Transcript

My guest today is Corissa Grant of the Worthy Chaos comic series.

Corissa is an example of living authentically.

She's doing her thing, living her dream, while being herself.

She says she always loved the idea of being a writer.

Being dyslexic, however, there was a time when she thought she could never be a professional writer.

That is until she started writing.

It took her a couple of years.

Now she's a professional comic book writer with two comic book series.

The series are Worthy Chaos Redemption and her newest, Worthy Chaos Devastation, A Supernatural Western.

It's a Buffy meets supernatural types in the Wild West type story.

Characters must hunt down, I'm not sure what this is, Corissa will tell us, cryptids.

Well, being pursued by, I know what these are, angels, demons, monsters, vampires and werewolves.

But there's also appearances by Bigfoot, Mothman and other creatures.

And if comic books or sci-fi stories are not your thing, stick around.

I think you'll find Corissa's journey, her mindset, her strategies and how.

Do your own thing, be authentic, make a dream happen.

Inspiring and useful for following your dream and doing the thing you want to do.

Welcome to my show, Corissa.

Thank you for having me.

I really appreciate it.

So one time you didn't think you could be a writer.

Tell me what happened to change your mind, how you got started and to get to where you are today.

So it goes back pretty far.

So I was obsessed with a game called Resident Evil 2, the second one.

We heard of that one.

Yeah.

Well, the tricky part is, I don't know why I was obsessed with it.

I saw a commercial with this crocodile that comes out of the sewer for Leon.

For whatever reason, not only did that make me want the game, I had to go buy PlayStation 1 to play.

I didn't even have the system.

So that's really weird.

Thinking back, I'm like, why would I do that?

I can't remember.

But so I was a teenager, my parents, I must have begged for it for, like, Christmas and birthday in the next four years or whatever.

I don't know.

So, they went out, we got PlayStation 1 and I rented Resident Evil 2.

I got obsessed with the game and, well, funny side note, since I already warned you I can ramble.

When I first tried to play it, I never really played anything but Atari, that's how old I am, but I couldn't get the character to move.

Leon just kept walking into the fire, so I threw the controller, I was so mad.

I was like, I cannot do it.

There was no instruction manual.

You reach into the choir on that, I can't play modern games that require like six digits on each hand.

So I didn't know how to play and I threw it and I couldn't Google it, and there was no instruction manual.

Then my brother comes in, who's been playing Zelda since he could walk, and he just picks it up and starts playing.

So I got all mad and kicked him out, but I saw what he did, so I copied what he did and that.

So fast forward, I saw the movie Stay Alive, for anyone that knows Stay Alive, it's-

You jeez?

No, the movie.

It's a movie where the gamers, if you die in the game, you die in real life the way you died in the game.

So I had googled it because I wanted to know the true facts of Elizabeth Bathory, because she was like the villain in it, and I know those true facts about her.

So I googled it, and while googling it, I saw the actor pictures on MySpace, and I had never been on MySpace, I didn't know what it was.

So I asked the people why they're using these.

I know you're not the actor, why are you having these pictures?

And they said, we're role-playing.

And I was like, is that legal?

Like you're using copyrighted pictures?

Like yeah, of course it is.

They like just pick a character you want to be or interact with, and then you make it and you write it.

So I looked around my room and there was this giant Leon poster, and it reminded me of Resident Evil, so I decided to be Claire Redfield from Resident Evil 2.

And I started writing one-liners because, like I said, I'm dyslexic, so one line was probably about as much as I can do.

So I did that for two years, got really into it, and then I decided to push the level, and I did like a para, which is like three sentences, you know, so three sentences at one time.

And what you do is you write your action when you write to somebody else.

It's like writing a play in live time, you know?

So after another two years, I tried to do multi-para, which was like, you know, I'll say 500, 600 words, which was like a lot, you know?

It was a lot.

Like you're playing a game, this role play where instead of the joystick and the graphics.

Yeah, you have to write what you do instead of just do it.

Okay.

So there are a couple of games.

It's like kind of like Dungeons and Dragons, but you're writing in a line with other people.

So you're writing with all these people online.

But then I said, I could never do novel air, which was like a thousand words or something.

And then somebody said, sure, you can.

And we kind of went slowly and then that kind of sparked the writing gene where it's like, oh, I can write.

I was just going to say, you're already actually writing because you have to think and process and edit and I hadn't thought of it that way.

And then they explained how you do novel air.

And now, I mean, what's novel air?

Novel air is a thousand words or more.

In a game or anything you write?

In a, yeah.

So like when I'm writing my character, action wise, I have to think of a thousand words worth of things to do, like interacting with that person, talking, thinking, whatever.

So that's kind of what sparked the writing after I learned to do that.

So now I could sit down and do, my average is two to five thousand words per sitting.

So I got a little better.

Are you still playing the game?

Yeah, I play with two people now.

One is my co-writer.

So when you read my game, is it so?

Well, now, so now it's it's not it's not it doesn't have a name per se.

It's just we're role playing the characters in my story.

Oh, privately, like, yeah, private channel, that person.

Yeah.

So when you read my story, that's what we had written over four years.

I see.

So I write the story first.

So I lead the story.

And what I do is everything I write, the main character of Sarafina, one of the main characters, Sarafina, I write everything she does, talks, thinks, whatever.

Now I write this whole chapter like you just like you're writing a book.

You write this whole chapter.

And then I give it to my co-writer who then writes it in Draven's point of view.

So when you read the story, everything Draven writes or says or thinks is what my co-writer wrote.

So it's two different people doing the two main characters.

So you have like these unique personalities.

So you're making the story up as you go with the real person kind of.

Yeah.

So we don't generally know what's going to happen next.

Well, so Redemption's already has, I think we're up to 112 issues.

So we've got a lot going on there.

The first series of it is Redemption technically is 24 issues.

And then the next one is another 24.

So it's like 24 for each, but it's the same storyline, like it just keeps going.

Now, Devastation, we just started a couple of months ago.

And I think we're up to like 16 issues.

So we just started.

So how do you just, what made you just want to start a new one?

You had a new idea that there's no way it could fit the old one.

Let's start with that.

Well, technically, and not everyone knows this.

They'll find out eventually.

But so you could say it's an exclusive here.

Technically, Devastation is the is the prequel.

So the so the two characters are angels and demons, and they get reincarnated together every hundred years.

There's like Star Wars.

Star Wars was the third one.

Yeah.

We're going to the first one.

Yeah.

So you don't, yeah.

Yeah.

That's a good way to put it.

So they never have memories of who they are when they meet.

They just feel attracted to each other, and they feel like they trust each other, but they always have trust issues.

So in Redemption, it's a different, something happens in Devastation at the end that causes Redemption to be so insane.

So nobody knows what happens at the end of Redemption, well, we do, but no one knows what happens at the end of Devastation.

So we're still writing Devastation as we go, but we've always had the last issue already written because it was going to be like an explanation of why Redemption exists.

Redemption is the first one or the second one?

So technically Redemption is the second one.

So they get reincarnated in the beginning of Redemption, and they meet up, and then that's the life.

So in Devastation, they meet up in the Old West.

So it's every 100 years.

So I think it's 1887 they meet in Devastation.

What's the synopsis, just like what's the story about in terms of angels, demons, mutated vampires?

Clotters, yeah.

What's a cryptid?

A cryptid is actually not my made up name.

It's cryptology.

It's what monsters like Bigfoot, they're under.

That's a vocabulary word in the dictionary.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a real word, believe it or not.

And these characters are their supernatural hunters in the 1880s.

Yeah.

And they have to track down these cryptids, these creatures.

So what happens is you read the angels and demons.

So Seraphina is an angel descendant.

She was created from angels and Draven is a demon descendant.

And they are soul mates, but their fathers are after her.

So to put it simply, she was created from an angelic weapon, right?

And both of the fathers want that angelic weapon.

So between heaven and hell, they want this one weapon that was created from the power of souls.

So it's extremely powerful.

And the only way to use it is to use Seraphina's soul to activate it.

So they're trying to get this weapon from her, so that they can each conquer heaven or hell.

However, her father wants it for another reason, that we hint at what we haven't actually said out loud, what it is yet, but we know what it is, of course.

And then there's these ingredients they must collect.

How to collect ingredients to make this elixir like a potion.

How does that fit into the story?

So she gets bitten by a clodder, which is a vampire, mutated vampire that we created.

And she needs to get this elixir to cure it.

And to do that, she needs, I think there's 20, yes, 20 ingredients she has to capture from different cryptids.

But you can...

Yeah, I wrote some down.

But...

But you're saying?

Oh, but they have to be alive while you collect it.

So like to get the Wendigo, you'd actually have to do, get a piece of its antler while it's alive.

For Bigfoot, you'd have to get some of its fur while it's still alive.

So you can't kill the creatures together, otherwise it loses its immortality.

I see.

And there's a feather and there's seaweed from a horse with seaweed as its mane and fangs from a vampire.

Sounds hard to do.

Leave the werewolf alive.

But this is to cure her, so that makes sense to fix her.

And you can actually collect them along the way as well, because we're going to have jars that we're going to make.

So obviously-

Yeah, they're really cool.

I'm going to talk about that later.

Yeah.

Merch, you sell these.

Yeah, I'm the queen of merch.

That's good, because that's when we talk about your strategy.

Yeah.

On how you're able to use Kickstarter and keep the dream rolling.

Back to how you made the story, it's an interesting idea.

How do you, if you're working with another person, it's like teamwork, you can't do it all by yourself, there's more.

How did you find a good partner to work with, who's on the same page with you and business-wise too, who doesn't shows up on time in terms of the money and everything, and was it difficult?

Well, yeah, it actually isn't as difficult as it sounds, because we hit it off, and we didn't plan to make the comic book, we were at issue 50 when we finally were like, maybe we should do something with this.

So we already had it written the first 50.

You were playing the game.

Yeah, we had it all 50.

I see.

We were just obsessed with our own story, so we were just writing it for fun.

But I kept saying, it's such a waste of a story, it's such a good story.

But being dyslexic, I don't write my story the way most people would, so it's not something I could just release as a novel.

I didn't think it would be possible to release it until it just popped in my head one day that we should do.

Actually, what happened was when I realized that we couldn't make a story out of it, because we did try to get an editor like, is this something we could do?

But what made it not only is my writing not good enough to be, I'm a great storyteller.

Well, that seems difficult because if you just give it to an editor and they don't know your characters and your intention, they could totally destroy it, put it in there the way they speak, not the way you speak.

So we didn't want to do that.

So we decided that instead of ruining the story or merging the story or whatever, we were just going to print it for ourselves and not bother releasing it.

So to do that, we decided we'll just print out two copies for us, like a print on demand thing.

But I wanted to celebrate having the first part of the story done.

So I decided to go get an artist.

While I was looking for artists to do this one-time cover, everything was cartoony.

We originally had actors in our mind when we did them.

So I was like, do you want something more realistic, or should I just do something cartoony?

My co-writer Jess is like, just do cartoony and a light bulb went off in my head.

I was like, let's try a comic book.

Then I said the infamous words that I definitely take back, how hard can it be?

It's like the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

That's why I'm asking.

It doesn't seem.

It's not easy at all though.

No, it's expensive.

It's risky.

So are you paying the, you don't, this is one of my questions in terms of making it happen.

Like if you have a dream or something, well, now I got to pay this.

Because they didn't want like an equity stake in it.

They wanted to be paid up front for their time or something.

So a couple did want equity and we didn't want that.

Oh yeah, you don't want to give away your.

Yeah, we didn't want to give away.

I think we had two that had said they didn't want to get paid.

They just wanted equity and we said no.

So I had finally hired, I actually hired one artist.

They were bad artists probably.

Like I don't know.

This is a great trade.

You're going to give me some bad drawings that none of us are going to make any money on.

Yeah.

So there was this one artist that we had that wasn't our favorite, but we had searched for a long time.

So Draven, for some reason, we're very, very picky.

You think I'd be pickier for Serif?

I like the card, especially the Western one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you're nailing it with, when I pick up sci-fi fantasy cartoon books that are adult books.

Yeah.

My nephew reads some of them.

We were super picky on that because we had this image of the characters in our head, and we just could not find an artist.

I spent thousands on finding an artist.

Because you have to pay to get-

Oh, and it didn't work out?

You'd eat it just because this is not-

Yeah.

So actually, my first issue one, I actually spent 5,000 on, and it didn't turn out the way I wanted to, so I actually threw it away and found a new artist.

The sad thing about that is one thought that comes to mind, how I can use it, you can post it, maybe you have and let fans who buy access to it, see the old stuff, but then you ruin it for them, right?

Because you only want them to see the one, not the-

when they see other works in progress, it's like music work in progress, like, I like the song, just play the song, right?

Yeah.

So I think I printed 50 of them, and I did sell them as extras on the Kickstarter for these, and I was just like, FYI, this isn't the art we wanted, but if you want to buy it, and they did, they bought it as a collectible because there's only-

Oh yeah, collectible.

Like 10 left.

But yeah.

I put in the show notes, people, if they're still there, before it gets too big and she takes them off the market.

Well, they won't be printed again, and there's 10 left.

So yeah, it has a limited run of 50, which is very, very, very low for comics.

But she had did that with his music.

His mom kept his first album, like boxes of them.

Yeah.

You cannot sell those on eBay ever, ever, ever.

He's like, I need to throw those away, bury them in the yard, destroy them.

I was mad because my mom, so I framed, I got my first, not my first issue issue, but my first issue for that new artist, and I got it graded, but my mom framed the original first one.

I was like, you can't hang that up.

That's awful.

And she's like, no, that's the first one you ever made.

I was like, oh, I don't want that to be in the wall.

Yeah, it's history, I guess.

I don't like it.

They're quest type books.

Is this just me making this up or do you have a quest theme?

I mean, it's part of stories, you know, our quest or journey.

Is quest inspired from something personal?

No, not really.

I think it, so with Redemption, it kind of started where I was kind of role-playing being in Resident Evil.

So it kind of started as Resident Evil.

And Silent Hill, I don't know if you know Silent Hill too, it's another video game, it's a movie too.

But that's kind of what we were art role-playing in.

We were pretending we were in Silent Hill and Resident Evil.

Now Devastation is just, I don't even know where it came from.

We were on the same page in a really weird way.

And just one day I was like, I wish we could extend the last issue of, or the very first issue that we did to make it more of their world.

Because I love the Western idea.

I love the Cowboys and Indians, well, there's no Indians, but Cowboys and whatever.

Is it on a real story?

Have you taken a road trip across the West?

You're in New York, I think, right?

I was in New York and now I'm in Tennessee.

Now, I would, my husband would never, and my co-writer would never, and I'm not going to do it by myself, but I love road trips.

So I would have done it.

But no, it's not a personal experience.

It's just, I just really liked being in the Wild West, I guess.

I mean, they just look really good in cowboy outfits.

I don't know.

Well, when you do your role playing then to create the story, do you have to do your research on like say Arizona?

I research the monsters.

Well, I do.

Okay, so they don't talk like you would in the Western.

I already warned everybody that would hurt my brain to do the accent or whatever.

However, I do research events.

We don't really talk like that either, by the way.

I'm in Utah right now and I live in Arizona.

There are no cowboys.

There are cowboys as much.

You have to look hard for them.

Yeah.

So I do the research for events, people, inventions, clothes, things like that.

So I have to make sure all her weapons are invented during that time, or the materials she uses.

Some of the words I have researched, like I had to make sure pain in the ass, because that's what he always calls her, and it actually was.

I had to make sure they used it before 1800, and I did.

Things like that, I had to make sure.

I think she was going to say something like overusing her brain cells.

I was like, I don't know if they had brain cells back then.

So I had to like research everything like that.

Events, I had to make sure because they interact with Codwell, which is the inventor of the cult, Codwell cult.

So I had to make sure that his father was Samuel Cull.

I had to make sure that he was during that time and he was.

So I did research like that, like errors and stuff like that.

Most of the cryptids I had, I made sure existed during that time.

Like for, I don't know if you know the Jersey Devil, but so the Jersey Devil, it wasn't, it's been around for a long time.

However, in the 1800s, it was called the Leeds Devil.

So I have to call it the Leeds Devil in the story.

So it's things like that, that I had to research and make sure that they were accurate.

The reason why the year is 1887 is because we have a dog man in there, and the dog man is generally only seen on the sevens.

So I had to make sure that it was 1887 because that's when dog man would have been seen.

I try to be as accurate as I can.

Yeah, it seems like you're walking a slippery slope.

People who really know characters and stuff, one little thing is all it takes to...

Let me tell you, the cryptid, I love the cryptid community, but some of them are so, so into it that I had to do all this research because one person was like, the Windego is not a true cryptid and they don't have horns.

And I said, no, they don't generally have horns, but the US usually can, and so that's the one I use, and it is a cryptid and all this.

So yeah, I got off of Reddit.

I was on Reddit for 40 seconds before.

I was like, yes.

Frequently asked question on your site just to take care of this.

So let's talk about your merch.

It's really cool.

Queen of Merch, that's my nickname.

What?

Queen of Merch.

Well, you have to, right?

Because you got to pay the staff.

Yeah.

If you can't pay them, you can't keep the train rolling and make the next episode, right?

That's right.

I think people don't understand that when you have a Patreon or a Kickstarter.

I'm the only one that doesn't get paid.

My comic and my artist gets paid, my letter gets paid, my colorist gets paid, the printer gets paid, all the merch gets paid.

I'm the only one that doesn't get paid.

Yeah.

So listeners, when you buy merch or you buy a comic or a book or anything, and you're like, what do you think?

And you think the authors are millionaires or why is it so much?

It's no, I'm probably 20 grand in debt.

But the reason why I'm a little bit more in debt than most is I'm so far ahead.

So we just released the hard cover for issues eight through 12.

That was on Kickstarter.

And that just ended like two weeks ago.

But I had issues 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 already done.

So I already paid for those before Kickstarter.

Investing.

Yeah.

So I invested my own story.

And I got to ask once, isn't that a high risk?

And I was like, I wanted to see it done.

So that's more for me than anybody.

There you go, people.

When you wonder, as an artist, people ask, well, were you sure?

What made you do it?

You just thought you had to.

I pretty much live and breathe this story.

I dream it.

I think about it constantly.

I am absolutely obsessed with it.

I don't think I bought one other thing that wasn't something story related.

But you're doing better than most people.

There was a lot of Kickstarters.

How did people even find out about you to even buy a comic book and to find your merch?

What do you do to promote and make yourself known?

People like you, I wouldn't be able to do.

I've done, well, I keep saying 222, but it must be more now.

I've done about 222 podcasts in the last two years.

I was doing more before.

I would do every campaign between 25 and 42 at a time.

That's the only way I've had to get my, it's very hard to get your story out.

I tried advertising, none of that ever works.

Advertising is a waste of money, people.

I can tell you that from all my businesses, I've lost count.

Facebook ads, as a musician, as an environmental consultant, yeah, it's just money thrown.

You have to have hundreds of thousands or millions.

It'd be a big player.

Yeah.

Facebook ads would work if you put about four grand into it.

You've got to invest in it, and I don't have four grand to put in there.

Then really niche your market down, of course, and so forth.

Yeah, you can't just spend 100 or 200 dollars or something.

No, this doesn't work.

I'm hoping to tap into the cryptid community for this one.

I don't like cons, but I've decided to invest in the cons.

Oh, that's when you have a booth, like you can go to comics.

Oh, my goodness.

They're so expensive to do, but I'm trying more local ones seem to work best because of table.

I went to Lexington, which is a huge, huge Comic Con, but everyone was there for the actors.

It was so loud, you couldn't pitch your story.

It was awful.

I wasted probably with hotel, the table alone was 350.

I probably made 100 bucks and I probably spent 600 something.

But the one I'm at every year, if anyone wants to look for me, I'm in Nashville.

The Nashville Comic Con, I do every year.

It's usually the first weekend in June.

People come and look for me, which was really good for my ego.

They'll come find me in the booth and be like, I bought your books.

Nashville has a lot of hidden pockets of creative types.

Besides the music, there's a lot of other and even the self-publishing, even Amazon uses them to print people self-publish books.

Ingram, Lightning Source, Ingram, CreateSpace, not CreateSpace, that's Amazon.

What's the other one?

The big self-publishing, the people actually print your book.

It's like, it starts with an I, right?

Like Instagram.

Ingram, it is Ingram.

Yeah, Ingram, yeah.

Yeah, they're in Nashville, a long history of.

I haven't used them.

I actually, out of pocket, I bought both my hardcovers.

I wouldn't advise using them.

For black and white, they're perfect.

For color, you can't get the price down.

So these are my two hardcovers.

And I don't do a Kickstarter until I have them, until I have the product in hand.

So that way people, I was trying to build trust, which is hard to have it before.

Thank god credit cards exist.

But I have them in hand because a lot of people on Kickstarter, they'll buy it and then they won't ever get it.

It's been like two years.

They're still waiting for their product.

With mine, I ship everything out within two weeks.

Oh, right.

Because the idea with Kickstarter is you're coming out with an invention and some gadget that we need your money to go build it, go manufacture it.

Then you get it before anyone else, a little different.

Who did you use to print those?

Usually, I was using Welles Spring, Comic Welles Springs.

However, they just doubled their pricing, so I have probably going to use Ready Comic.

They're the ones that do.

I have Metal Trading Cards.

They've been doing my Metal Trading Cards and my Metal Covers.

Let me see those again.

Metal Trading Cards.

Those remind me of photographer, my brother's photographer, like picture on metal.

Yeah, these are picture on metal.

Yeah.

What those cost must cost like at least $5, $10 a piece to print.

Yeah, they're very expensive, but they sell really well and I collect them too, so I wanted them.

They're good for coasters.

Yeah.

I go to the bar.

I don't even drink, but when I'm at the bar, eating lunch, whatever, I got a bunch of those things in the bar, you know, put your coaster down, and I glued them to the bottom of those metal things.

Now they're coasters.

Yeah.

Nice.

So I get my metal covers from them too.

So I think they're going to wind up doing my regular.

I actually didn't know they did regular comics until mine tripled in price.

And Comic Well Springs, they'd write to me and said, we just lowered it because we kept writing to them and saying, how could you double your prices?

We don't even get paid as it is.

You need to get an affiliate program with them now, since you mentioned they got on this podcast.

Yeah.

So I had printed, to print originally was $2.50 per issue, and they doubled it to about five.

So I sell mine for 10, which means I'm not getting any money towards the artist barely.

Everything's going to printing.

And mail, do you have to mail each one of those individually then?

I do mail them individually, yeah.

Yeah.

I just finished mailing the hard covers.

I brought them all and they're heavy.

The hard covers are heavy.

Hard covers are nice, though.

As much as they cost, there's nothing like a hard cover in full color.

Yeah, it's full color.

Yeah, I do.

So this is the newest one I just ended.

It hasn't been added to my website, but it will be.

Probably I should do it today.

What's it called?

So this is the Worthy Chaos Redemption Book 2.

This is issue 8-12.

Nice.

And this is the first book that-

That's a thick book too.

That's what good, inch thick, inch plus thick.

Yeah, this is 200 pages with extras, and this one is 222 pages, and it's issues 1-7.

They're thick pages though.

That's good quality paper on color with color, glossy color.

80-weight paper.

So these are not thin books.

Yeah, and they're glossy.

I like glossy.

But yeah, so I ordered those, and fortunately, my Kickstarter generally covers the printing for those because I have 500.

So-

Oh, and then your glass jar, do you have one most handy with all the ingredients in it with the rope?

No, I don't yet.

I'm working on the Apothecary box.

So that's going to store the 20.

It's actually going to...

So one of the things that's unique about the story is, I don't know if you've ever seen the show Supernatural.

Some people have seen it.

But they have a journal that they write down.

Oh yeah, tell me about your journal.

I heard about it.

So what's going to happen is, I'm going to make an Apothecary box.

You don't need to get the Apothecary box, but the Apothecary box will hold the 20 jars with the ingredients that you can collect as you go, and the journal, and the map that we're doing, hopefully a map where you can put marks stickers where you saw the cryptids in the story.

So the journal is going to be whatever cryptid you saw during that issue.

So I think issue one is the Bigfoot and the Wendigo.

So they're in the background.

There's one page with them interacting.

So you'll get...

You get the one page, and then you put that page in your journal.

Yeah, so they could buy the journal for me, or they could buy their own journal, and then the page is free if you back that campaign.

If you wait, then you have to pay for the page to print.

It's like a collectible, right?

Because if you want all the pages, then you have to pounce on the opportunity to collect them, and put them in your journal, right?

Yeah.

So it's going to be one picture, and on the back of the page is going to be all their weaknesses, and all have the description or whatever.

Now, book two is going to have the Mothman in the background, our Crow Demons, and the really weird Snagglegaster Monster.

It's the weirdest thing.

Do I have a sticker?

Is that a word?

Did you just make that up?

Snagglegaster Monster?

I did not make up the word, but you would think I did.

It's, let's see, I have a picture.

Snagglegaster Monster.

Who do you make the journals and the boxes?

Do you make those by hand or you outsource those?

I'm going to make them all by hand, yeah.

Okay.

Well, the journals I bought, these are the journals, but the pictures I'm going to make by hand, and the apothecary box, I have a box, I could probably show you somewhere in here.

You're hand-making them.

I bought the main shell, but I'm painting and staining the insides, I'm putting felt in there, and I have to make the little dividers.

You go to Michael's.

I go to Michael's, yeah.

So this is, I don't know if you can see it, this is a snaggle monster.

It doesn't look too monstrous.

It's a bird with, it's like a chicken with wings.

It's kind of like...

Different wings.

Yeah, it's like a raptor with chicken feet and tentacles.

I don't know if he has little tentacles out of his mouth.

And one eye, there's one eye.

He's got one eye.

Some sources say that they breathe fire.

I haven't decided yet if ours is going to be fire.

He probably will, because it's more of a challenge.

So you didn't make these characters up completely.

They're kind of his...

So I made up, there's 20 of, well, we have 30 plus in the story, but I've made up so far, I think 10.

So our Crow Demon is a six-eyed Crow Phoenix I made up.

I made up the...

We have an ant bat.

I made up our vampire.

We have a vampire chameleon bat, which I have some, a plushie somewhere.

An ant bat.

I'm still processing that when I'm picturing an ant on the sidewalk with, and then a bat in the...

They're big.

They're actually quite big.

Something about crypt is they always seem to be big.

We have a dragon plant that its tentacles can control you by putting its tentacles inside your ears and getting into your brain.

So it controls you like a puppet.

And it can control you even if you're dead.

So like it'll use like a dead bear to attack or something.

We had...

It's like Dungeon and Dragons where you make up part of the character, but not all of it.

It's giving you something to start with and you...

Exactly.

That's pretty much what we did.

So we got some unique ones, but we put all the people's favorites in there too, so that they have something to look forward to.

Plus the merch is more fun.

But yeah, so I have tons of merch for all that.

Metal trading cards, metal bookmarks, regular bookmarks, mini prints, pens, plushies.

And this is all in your Kickstarter website.

Do you have a website just for your comics?

So it's only really carrying the hard covers and it's going to be carrying the merch for this.

But I don't put...

I was putting the singles on there, but it's just too obnoxious to do.

So the best way to get all that is the Kickstarter.

However, you could download the PDFs from the site.

It's $5 a PDF or 25 for whatever it's up to.

I think 12, so 1 through 12 is 25.

And if you go to Kickstarter, it's Worthy Chaos Comics.

You just do a search on that, Worthy.

So worthychaoscomics.com is our website.

theworthychaos.com is the Kickstarter.

But the best way to find us on Kickstarter is to go on Kickstarter and search Worthy Chaos because we're the only thing that pops up.

That's what I was thinking.

Yeah.

We always have something in pre-launch or live.

Right now, I have two in the pre-launch.

I have issue 13 and issue 1, which is issue 1 is January 6th and issue 13 is February 17th.

So we're pretty much going to have a Kickstarter almost every month next year.

So my not dyslexic, but my mind turns hard to remember stuff.

Were the chaos comics pretty simple?

What's you say worthy chaos?

Is it an unworthy chaos?

Not yet.

But I was asked why we named it that.

And we named it that because she causes all the chaos because she has angelic blood.

So it causes everything evil to be attracted to her.

So she always feels bad for causing all this trouble to Draven, who's always around her.

But he always says she's worth it.

So I wound up naming it Worthy Chaos.

It's worth all the chaos.

So that's why I did that.

Is that in the story somewhere?

The worth it part?

Yeah.

I'm trying to think if we, I think he says she's worth it a lot, but I don't think we explained that she's the worthy chaos yet.

Does he do something for her?

Gratitude?

Yeah.

Well, you know, it's funny about the two of them.

So both characters are completely badass.

You know, they fight a lot, but they're very strong.

But the problem is they keep trying to protect each other.

And by doing so, they get hurt and the other one gets upset because they're trying to protect the other one.

So they kind of annoy the hell out of each other half the time.

That's why he always calls her a pain in the ass, because every time she tries to help him, she gets hurt or or vice versa.

So there's a couple of sayings that they have that are a motif of what they say a lot.

He says, no, you know me.

And he calls her a pain in the ass.

So the two major ones that they repeat.

Oh, and she likes to do a pinky swear, which again, I had to research to make sure that was something they used back then.

And it was because when they were kids, that was the thing she did was she's.

And what do you do for besides the Internet?

Is there other ways to do research?

I remember when there were libraries, I could go to a library and.

Yeah, I don't go to libraries anymore, but I'll get books off of Amazon or use bookstores.

When I was a kid, I had to use the Psychopedia, but.

Oh, is that why it's all those stuff on the shelves behind you?

Those are all books.

All books.

But comic books are just stories about cryptoids or anything science fiction.

I have a bookshelf to the right of me that you can't see that has all of my research books and magic searching books and all that history books and stuff.

I do love to learn.

I did love the Psychopedia when I was a kid.

However, being dyslexic, it was very hard to find what I wanted and would just go through it page by page.

I had a very hard time as a kid because my mom even bought me a spelling check, a little calculator thing, but I couldn't spell it well enough for it to pick up what I was trying to spell, so it was pointless.

You made you feel worse instead of better.

I was like, fantastic.

Now, Google has been my best friend.

Words pretty good.

My phone has been good because if I can pronounce it, which is not always, if I can pronounce it, my phone will spell it for me.

The weird thing about my mind, and I don't even know where I learned these words, I know all of these words that are huge, huge words.

I just don't know how to spell any of them.

So I don't know how I know them all, but I do.

And fortunately, I'm also a thesaurus.

So originally, when I first writing and there was no Google, it was like I had dumbed down my own work to figure out.

I love the sources.

I have two of them, fat ones in print.

I like the print ones in the old.

I have a new version and an old one.

I like it better than the Internet.

You just flip the source to the words and you can get an old one like in a garage sale, like from the 60s or 50s to check the language.

Yeah.

So that was, I used to have to dumb down my own writing.

So now if I have to dumb down my own writing, I can look up the word whereas I used to not be able to.

So I don't have to dumb down my writing as much now.

Not that you'll read any of that.

Well, speaking of dyslexic and attention deficit disorder, which you said you had, or I guess you probably still do, but at one time I read that a friend of yours literally said you should seek help, like seriously.

Yes.

So we were at lunch and she said, she goes to a therapist and she had said, my therapist said that she thinks that you're, I guess she talks about me, which I don't know how to take that, that she thinks that you're ADHD.

And I said, I don't care.

It's working for me.

That's where I was leading with.

Yeah.

You seem very confident in knowing who you are and what you're capable of wanting to do.

How did you respond?

That's what it's going to ask you.

What did you tell your friend?

My exact words were, it's working for me.

I was like, she's like, but you get so fixated on something.

And I was like, yeah, but it works.

Like I'm not.

Look where you are and what you're doing.

And she says it every time that we meet up.

She's like, oh, you really should send me links about ADHD or ADHD.

There's like whatever.

She cares.

That's why she only does it because she cares.

But there's no way I don't want to fix it.

I like whatever I have and I'm happy with it.

And I was also going to ask if you're still friends, but it sounds like you are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're actually going to lunch.

We're supposed to go to lunch yesterday, but we had to, we're gone in a couple of weeks or something, because, you know, but yeah, we go to lunch once a month or so.

But she has two kids, I don't have any kids, so it's trickier to get together than it used to be.

Well, you're busy probably all the time with all, you have to do the merch and the writing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shipping.

I've been made fun of by indie creators because they don't ever do as many as I do.

Most indie creators do three to four, maybe five a year.

I do seven or eight.

They think I'm crazy, which I'm fine with, that's okay.

But they used to think I was crazy for merch too.

They used to make fun of me and then all of a sudden, they start asking me where I get it made.

You're driven and passionate about what you're.

I'm looking for the right word, not just passionate, you've got fire in you.

You can't sit still, which is one of my questions.

You publish so frequently, how do you stay resilient?

What keeps you going?

And do you ever have a moment when you feel like collapse and you're tired, your bank account doesn't have as much as you like, and you're like, it wasn't worth it.

What keeps you going?

I'll tell you what keeps me going.

So I have generally around 100 to 150 people that back me.

And when somebody writes to me and says, I just read it and it was amazing, when's the next one?

Or they want to see pages because they're excited to see.

I had one person yesterday told me, tell me.

First, they backed me on Kickstarter, and then I saw that they canceled it, and I knew something was wrong because they always back it.

So I went and asked, and I was being nosy mostly.

I was like, just out of curiosity.

What were your feelings almost?

You had to know.

Well, I knew I had to be a good reason, but I was worried.

So I went and wrote and I said, is everything okay?

Because I know you always back it and you're always enthusiastic.

He's one of the first ones to back it.

And he goes, yeah, I had a medical issue.

And I was like, no problem.

I'll save whatever you want.

Because he had, he wanted one of the plushies that was one left.

And then like three days later, he had backed it again.

And I said, what happened?

He goes, I sold something so that I could, I could buy it.

So yeah, so I was like so touched and I was like, I would have saved it for you.

And I had one person that that backed it continually up to like issue six and then had stopped.

So there was no six, seven, eight.

So I got worried and I right now I was like it was ending.

Okay.

And I don't usually write it.

So if anyone cancels, don't get nervous.

But the people that I know and I think most people don't understand if you're creative type or an artist.

Yeah.

Like I'm, I'm also a musician.

And if people don't clap, you think they don't like it.

Right.

Can't clap every time, every song.

Then you think, then you don't know if it's authentic clapping.

Don't know what's going on.

I don't have any change, some money.

I don't have a credit card.

I don't see your Venmo sign.

I can't tip you.

And so you make the stuff up, right?

Corissa, like they don't like me or that wasn't good enough.

Yeah.

My ego, I don't have much of an ego.

So when it gets bruised, it gets bruised.

But I'd ask them, is everything okay?

And they had said they had just lost their job and they couldn't bank it.

So I actually sent them the PDF from 6 to 12 for free, so he could keep up with the story because he loved the story.

And then when 12 came around, he had backed, he said, I bought everything I could because I finally got a job and I wanted to pay you back for doing that.

So he was very enthusiastic.

So that was very enthusiastic.

But the one person said, I haven't read, I can't wait till the Western, but I haven't read 12 yet because then I won't have be too much of a gap between the for the next one.

I was like, you're probably smart because 12 has an incredibly intense ending and you're going to kill me.

So it's probably better to do it closer to 13.

But it was really nice to when people back.

I'm still like when I was, I kid you not, when I was backing the hard, when I was packing the hard covers up because I gift wrap all of them, I was thinking how incredibly it's insane it is that people are paying money to read my story that like that to me is insane.

That's what keeps you going though.

Yeah.

Yeah, it totally does because they don't just.

They want it.

They love it.

I have some that spend like 100 to 250 per Kickstarter to buy all the goodies and other stuff.

And they're the ones that fuel me.

I have been asked, why do I have so much merch?

And my answer is always, I wanted it and now it's tax deductible.

It's also cool stuff.

That's my answer is it's really cool stuff.

But I mean, in the beginning, I thought who's going to spend money on my story?

I've had people come in, which this still shocks me and I'm completely honored.

Two things that really, really, really shocked me.

One was I had people come in and buy the entire series without reading it.

So they'll spend like 150 bucks just to buy everything.

And they don't even know if they like it.

Maybe I should raise my prices.

Yeah.

I get yelled at because my prices are smaller, but I try to keep it.

I keep it so people could buy it.

The other one is, I have two or three people that are overseas that pay $20 to ship it and all they do is buy one issue.

And they do that.

And I'm just like, you spent $30 on one issue.

That's insane.

But they love it.

Can you e-mail those people and tell them that?

Ask them if they want to wait.

Yeah.

And then I try to throw some extras in there for them because I feel bad that they're spending so much.

But I keep telling them, I was like, you could buy the PDFs.

Like, no, I want to hold it in her hand.

I was like, okay.

I like your books.

Yeah.

I do like both.

I'll read the PDFs when I'm not at home.

But when I'm home, I like to read, to hold the book.

You know, I love the glossy pages.

Plus, you can do your research based on going on eBay, buying old books, what not.

Of course.

Everything's taxable, man.

But there will be a day when so much is on there.

Look, I had someone on my show who was an expert in libraries, and he was trying to keep libraries going, a non-profit to support libraries.

And I go, how come now I'm an engineer, I go to the science library and there's no books.

There's just chairs to sit down.

All the classes are on the Internet, all the newer publications, newer research papers, they're all on the Internet, very few are in print.

I'm like, wow, what happens if the power goes out?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like we have so much for society.

Have you ever watched Pulse?

Did you ever see the movie Pulse?

No.

It's where all technology got corrupted.

Or a bug, a virus, yeah.

Well, it got infected by, well, this one was ghosts or something.

But yeah, the power grid went down.

They had no cell phones, no maps, no nothing.

Now, I can read a map.

That was one thing my dad made me learn.

He said, you have to learn to read a map.

I kept my map around for a long time after I started using my phone, because there were still times when you would get no service.

Oh, do I still have the map in the backseat because I have no idea where I'm at now.

Yeah.

Well, I was worried because sometimes it'll do construction and then you don't know where I've had.

I remember I used to get lost with MapQuest when you print out the thing.

I got lost twice on long trips.

I'm glad we have GPS, but there's been times where it'll lead me to nothing.

Well, the other thing with the print book comes to mind is you can put them on your bookshelf.

Yeah.

If you have no printed books, what do you have on your bookshelf?

I guess you have the merch, the Elixir jar and stuff, but you want to have the books.

You got to have the books.

I'm glad to love the merch because I love the merch.

I have a con next week in Knoxville, Tennessee.

It'll be my first time with the cryptids being on the table and stuff because I just ordered everything.

I got stickers, pins, bookmarks, postmarks, all that stuff.

So we'll see how those sell.

I bought a card.

I'm trying to totally invest with it.

I have a sticker stand and a little rotating thing because people like to move things and so we'll see how it goes.

This is going to be in Tennessee.

Yeah, Tennessee, Knoxville.

That's going to be the 23rd Saturday only.

It's called the Wandering Dragon at the Knoxville Expo Center.

Are you going to return to some of these or do you have some further out on your calendar for people that might not hear their show?

The only one I know of definitely is the Nashville one, which I don't have a date yet.

It's going to be usually the first weekend in June.

You can look up the Nashville Comic Con.

I have a question.

You live in Nashville.

If a fan, don't encourage everyone to ring your doorbell unless you want them to.

But what if a lot of people go to Nashville for it's a big tourist destination.

If they're there, can they email you and go, hey, can I pick up merch?

Yeah, sign book, a signed copy, pick up merch, get an autograph.

Yeah, absolutely.

I actually have a few that I'm meeting someone December 7th.

They wanted the hardcover.

So yeah, I do meet some people.

And at cons, people come to cons.

This one guy, he's crazy, but I love him.

He refuses to buy more than one book at a time.

So like the first year I was there, he bought book one.

The second year he came and bought book two.

So hopefully he'll come in June and buy book three.

But he cracks me up because I'm like, are you sure?

You only want it?

He's like, yeah, this is my thing.

And I was like, all right, I'll be like 40 years before you get them all.

But more power to you.

He's a slow reader.

Yeah, one a year.

I think that's funny.

I was very touched when people found my table and were like, I was looking for you, I was hoping you were here.

And I was like, really?

The one person just wanted to make your day.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, this one guy, he bought everything and I feel bad because I saw him at a local con.

And then they canceled that con this year.

I felt bad because he had seen me at another con and he goes, I need more.

Like I only went through three and I was like, the only four I have is a metal cover.

It's more money.

I don't care.

I need it.

But now I feel bad.

I have no way to contact him.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't do Kickstarter.

He's a very old guy.

But he was so thrilled.

Actually, he cracked me up because after my pitch, he's like, that was so good.

I need a cigarette.

And it's like, okay.

But I'm not very good at pitching.

My husband says I talk too long to each person and I probably do.

What do you mean you're not good at pitching?

I think you're great.

What does he mean?

He thinks I talk too long.

I talk to everybody there.

I do.

It's the best part about the con, is to talk to people.

Well, in all honesty, I'm glad people like my story.

But when I first started, people really backed it because they liked me, which is great, which was the only way I started, is people supported me.

Because they had no idea what they were getting into.

When you say people, close friends, family?

Friends, people, the ones that do the podcast that I usually do, a lot of those people backed it.

So I think probably more of the hosts than the people watching backed my stuff more than anything.

But they were what got me going because the first one I ever did, I only made like 900 bucks.

The second one, I think I made 2,800.

The show you mean, the Comic Con or the episode?

The Kickstarters.

So my first Kickstarter was 899.

My second Kickstarter was 28.

So that sounds like not pennies.

Tell people if you can, if you're okay with it.

One issue costs about five grand.

So that's not including the between three and five, and it doesn't include printing or merch.

That's what you're paying for, just get the machine rolling to the artist and everything else.

Yeah.

Pretty much I'm funding this, and I'm just trying to catch up.

And I don't mind paying towards it because like I said, I want to see them made.

But when it gets made into a movie, you'll make it all back.

You know, it's funny.

So the actor that I based Draven off of was Christian Kane.

If anyone knows Christian Kane from Loverage and Angel.

And I saw him in person for the first time.

I've been wanting to see him meet him for 25 years.

I saw him last month and I had a meet and greet with him.

And I had brought the two hardcovers and I said, just so you know, I made this, wrote this because of you.

This is your fault.

And then he was a smart ass, which I loved.

And he grabbed it and he goes, it looks nothing like me.

And then I had an answer for that.

I was like, funny story.

And I took out my phone and gave it to him.

And he's reading the email.

Three years ago, before I started this, I had asked his agent how much it cost to use his likeness.

And he never got back to me.

So I had to change the design.

So he's like, oh shit.

So he said, if I ever make it into a movie, he wants to start it.

And I said, I would love an animated series, like a rated R animated series.

And he said he would do the voices if it ever came up to do that.

So maybe someday we'll see.

Nice.

Have you done anything else with that idea, the film idea?

Not yet because I'm super picky.

Like I know people that I could sell the idea to, but I refuse to sell it.

So it would have to be something that I personally do.

So we want to do the three things that are on my list to do are probably in this order is like a board game, like a tabletop game.

Oh, cool.

D&D Dungeons and Dragons.

The Western probably because you can it's more of a you could track down these things.

And I want to do this is way more expensive, but I want to do a video game like Resident Evil like you, know that probably more redemption.

That's expensive.

That's $100,000.

And then I want to do animation, which is probably the most expensive because it's like $100,000 per like 20 minutes.

A movie.

You mean an animated movie?

Yeah.

Well, I want a whole I want a series like I want a movie and then like like a series because it's so long.

You can't you can't do it in one movie.

That's the thing.

I think I'm half good, half bad about AI.

His AIs you could do for some research, but creativity wise, it's you can only you can't get anything new out of it.

AI just scrapes the Internet for what's old and out there.

But in terms of making a movie, the technology for maybe taking inputting your characters in your print comic book, there's probably potential for being cheaper in the future making an animated film.

Yeah.

I mean, there's AI you can do, but I won't use AI.

I'm very against it.

So it have to be, I mean, people do.

Well, tell me real quick.

I'm very much in agreement with you.

I use AI and some people panic.

They think it's taken over the world.

I'm like, it has no truly creative thought.

You don't know if you borrowed someone else's, you guarantee you did and it's probably copyrighted.

It could inspire you.

Don't literally use it.

Tell me your take on the AI.

Okay.

The reason why I'm against AI is because the way and I'm probably works this way in music too, but the way it works in art is the program takes art from other artists and merges it into something quote unquote new, without giving any credit to the artist.

In fact, sometimes you can even see their signature somewhere in the picture.

I'm very against that.

Now, if AI was created where artists can give their art to and get paid or credit, then I'm not so against it.

However, I still find it very.

So speaking in Nashville, Tennessee, are you familiar with the Elvis law?

I do not know the Elvis law, no.

I wasn't either until this spring when I was in town, when I went to a conference, downtown Nashville, and it was some of the powerhouses that represent writers and singer-songwriters and record labels.

They were, they passed this law called the Elvis law.

When Elvis was still alive, the Elvis, Tennessee, created the law, which you can't use somebody else's likeness without the permission.

Elvis did it.

So Tennessee wanted to stop seeing Taylor Swift with the crypto, the wherewith, with fangs on the Internet, and somebody made that up, and how are they using her likeness?

They wanted to modernize the law.

So just this year, Tennessee passed this law that makes it illegal to use your likeness, period.

They changed the language so it applies to the digital world.

Nice.

I like that.

That's good stuff.

Even though it's just Tennessee, and you go, well, it's just one state.

Yeah, but you can't really use the internet if you're in another state.

Yeah, if I'm doing it, it's that's so pretty much, pretty much covers that.

Now, here's an interesting, because I stuck around and picked the brands of these attorneys.

I have a solution to what you're saying.

Kind of like you do on YouTube already, if you've posted a song and you have a video and you're using, you know, Journey or Def Leppard or Metallica song to your video, that's illegal unless you buy a sync license from them.

Now, Metallica could tell you take it down, but if they're really smart, they'll just, you, you buy, you pay us for it, you pay us something.

So the solution for what you're speaking about would be to keep track of the metadata.

Where did the picture come from and split up the money?

Yeah.

The difficult thing is, because I asked them, these are the people that know.

This is actually the same Elvis law people that are fighting it.

This is the hurdle they run into.

This is what they tell me, the attorneys.

Doesn't make sense to me.

But we have to prove, do you remember Napster when there was illegal MP3s on the Internet and people could just download them without paying iTunes?

I didn't know that.

Yeah.

So they sued Napster, had them take it down, and the way they proved it, they subpoenaed the server.

So-and-so upload this song, so-and-so download without paying it.

AI doesn't keep track.

When AI gives you the final image that you're speaking of, it has no idea the path it took to go, oh, but Corissa wants a werewolf, and this isn't a werewolf, let me go there.

Oh, but this isn't the thing she wants.

Okay, now she wants a unicorn.

Let me go find a unicorn.

Oh, but it's not tall enough.

They're not keeping track of where it came from.

Got you.

I didn't know that.

Literally, if you sued them right now and said, I want to know where that came from, they couldn't tell you.

So when you go to sue them, they can't tell you and you can't actually prove that it was stolen unless all the artists come forth.

Well, I do know they won't let you copyright anymore.

You can't copyright any of the art made from AI.

So if these people that are making comic books using AI, anyone could use it.

Now, the people that did copyright it, what they don't know, you probably know this Corissa, a lot of people don't understand copyright.

Just because the Copyright Office gives you a copyright, that's just a registration saying, yeah, we got it.

That doesn't mean you own that.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

You technically don't even, you technically don't, it's harder to fight.

Mine are all copyrighted, but you can technically, if it's not copyrighted, they still can't copy you.

You could prove that I've had my stuff.

This is true also.

Soon as you make it, you own the copyright.

You don't have to register it.

That was a big fight I got with somebody.

Just a lot easier on LinkedIn, for example.

I have a trademark and copyright on some stuff.

Some other company was using my company name.

And Amazon on Google are another place to happen too.

When you can just send them from the Copyright Office, your certificate for the copyright, they can take it down.

If you can't do that, they won't because why should they believe you?

You're speaking of prove it in a court of law, which is going to be seriously expensive.

You won't win that.

You can't afford that on your own.

So you basically copyright, even unless you officially copyright it, which is only like $35, $40.

Actually, it's 80 for 10 stories.

Why not?

Because I had to do it twice.

Yeah.

Because here's a tip when you copyright.

And it says this, but I didn't understand it.

The file has to be exact, including the dashes and the underdashes or whatever.

It has to be exact when you put on the site.

And I didn't put the dashes.

So I had to pay another $80 to get them all done again.

So that was fun.

It's another draw on the income.

It's like really not.

It all adds up, right?

It's awesome.

So I was going to ask you if there's anything we haven't talked about you'd like to add and where you're going.

But I think you kind of mentioned your other stuff in that.

Yeah.

Works in it.

Yeah.

That's pretty much anyone search Worthy Chaos on Google and Kickstarter and Facebook and will pop up.

We have groups, we have a Twitter, X, we have Facebook, we have a business page, and you can add me, Corissa Grant on Facebook.

I pretty much talk to anybody.

So I was like, I would have got kidnapped, come in my van.

Okay.

But yeah, anybody new in Indie, I'm kind of the unofficial PR person.

I help people get started.

So if anyone has questions on Kickstarter or something, you can just message me and you can talk.

Well, Indie, like you're an official Kickstarter helper?

Well, no.

In my Indie community, I'm an unofficial PR person.

So if a new Indie person comes on, they'll message me and I can help them start a Kickstarter or tell them what they need.

Oh, nice.

Very nice.

And since I've used hundreds and hundreds of artists for covers and everything, I generally hook people up with artists and stuff like that.

So when you say Indie, independent, you just got comic book create or any kind of content creative content creator.

I mean, any kind of content creator.

But I, you know, like my husband does music also like music.

He actually did my two songs on my videos.

If you go to my kickstarters and you play videos, he's done the songs.

And that's Permissible Indulgence is their title, their band.

Is their band dressed up with like a werewolf and a man moth man?

I should have them now dressed up like that.

Oh, I mean, at least.

Yeah, at least.

But yeah, so search Worthy Chaos.

Remember, we have Kickstarter live or in pre-launch always.

So it's nice that you help other people.

That's awesome.

Well, because you know what?

People helped me when I started.

In fact, one of my friends, Lori Caccatella, she does Path of the Pale Rider Kickstarter.

I was not telling anyone that I was a girl.

So I did no videos because I didn't know if I would be frowned upon because I'm a girl and not only comics but in horror.

Is that a comic book thing?

Yeah.

Well, there's not a lot of women in comics.

There's more probably now.

A lot of them are probably hidden like me.

But after I saw her and she's a kickass girl in comics and horror comics.

So that's when I came out and was like, okay.

I was going to say, then you own that.

That's an opportunity to be like, I'm the first woman in space or on Mars or to climb on Everest.

Well, I think it probably got me on a lot of nerd podcasts because they're like, oh, it's a girl.

I did have one guy freaked out because I didn't tell I was a girl.

When we were talking, he said he or something.

I was like, oh, I'm a girl.

Does he think Corissa is a man's name?

Yeah.

That was so weird.

Somebody called me son with Corissa.

I was like, how is that?

How is that a guy's name?

I mean, it's okay.

But yeah, so I freaked out a couple of nerds on podcasts before they knew what I was.

But yeah.

You didn't go kiss like wear a mask.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

Well, but thanks for having me on.

I really appreciate.

It's been a pleasure.

Wishing you continued success and it'll be in the show notes for listeners wanting to go on your Kickstarter or some merch or some books.

I appreciate that.

Remember, January 6th is the next one.

So you can go follow it on pre-launch now.

We have 175 followers.

Awesome.

Thanks, Corissa.

Inspirational.

Thank you.

Bye.