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My guest today is Olivier Mankondo.

Oliver is a weight loss and wellness coach who teaches people how to thrive on plant-based nutrition.

He's been on a plant-based nutrition diet since 2016 that began when he was watching a program that showed why animals and products that come from animals are not designed for humans to eat.

He then lost 77 pounds, that's 35 kilograms, in nine months by adopting a plant-based nutrition, which he also says was able to clear himself of chronic diseases he was suffering from that included high blood pressure, headaches, chest pains, joint and back pain, and dandruff.

Since then, he's not been sick a single day.

And on top of that, he says he's been able to slow down his aging process.

I think he means he doesn't look as old as you think.

Oliver and I are going to talk about what plant-based nutrition is and how your life might be different if you decided to adopt it.

Before we dive in, please understand this podcast is for educational purposes only.

The intent is to share information with you that might be helpful.

It's important to consult with a health care provider or your physician before making changes to your diet.

Your health and well-being are top priority.

Welcome to my show, Oliver.

Thank you very much for having me.

I really, really appreciate that.

Thank you.

So I want to talk about what plant-based nutrition is and the health benefits and the weight loss program you have.

But first, I want to say, encourage the listeners, go watch the video on Oliver's YouTube channel, the before and after pictures of how much weight you lost.

Just seeing that is why I got to have this guy on my show.

A lot of people probably talk about diets and plant-based nutrition and stuff, but you are living, you are living it.

You like proof is in how you look.

You know, before picture, you're sitting in a chair, it looks like you could be watching the football game and it might be a challenge to get out of the chair, the big reclining, just to go to the refrigerator, get a bag of chips or something to eat.

And then you're tall and skinny and look at you now, you look great.

So tell me, tell, let's start, tell me the story like your before and after, and then, you know, what you, what made you want to change and then how you did it.

Okay, so to explain that, I need to go a little bit back in time.

Basically, I'm originally from Africa, Central Africa in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

And basically, when I was growing up, at that time, there was no computer games, no video games and all that.

So we were forced to play outside.

We were playing football, climbing trees, running around, hiking and stuff like that.

So we were always, always in action, in movement.

And I was not exposed to too many animal products, dairy products and processed food, which means that I was very lean when I was growing up.

And it all changes when I left my country.

I went first to South Africa, I spent a year over there, and then I came to the UK.

And then my problem started.

I started to put on weight.

And at my heaviest, I was 220 pounds.

200 and 220?

Yeah, 220.

And how tall are you?

I'm 5'6.

It puts it in perspective, because my dad plays basketball, he's 6'5, so 220, he's still heavy set, but yeah.

So 5'7?

Yeah, and 220 pounds.

And how much do you weigh now?

143 pounds.

That's 80, trying to do the math in my head real quick, 80 plus 80 some pounds.

77 pounds at that point.

77 pounds.

Yeah.

And you look and feel great.

Yeah.

So then, sorry to interrupt.

Where were we?

Where were you?

Yeah.

So basically, when I was like, I said that was at my AVS, there was 220 pounds.

And if you look at the BMI charge, my BMI was 32, which means that I was overweight.

Well, BMI real quick, it's been a while that's body, that's your fat index or something like that.

Yeah, body mass index.

And basically, they squeeze your skin with something that kind of tells how much.

Is that how that works?

Or actually, you can stand on a scale now, and it does it for you too, somehow, right?

Yeah.

Calculates based on your weight and how much.

Your weight and your height.

Your weight and your height, how much fat is in your patina and your basement.

How overweight your fat index, body mass index, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

So because of that, my health was pretty bad.

Like you just said, I was suffering from high blood pressure, massive headaches every day or every other day.

And in fact, I had to have some painkillers in my wallet all the time.

Derm troughs, chest pain, back pain, abscesses, abscesses and a lot of dental problems with my bad eating habits.

So basically, every two to three months, I had to see the dentist and I was always, always tired.

So for example, on the day that I was supposed to go to work, I would truck myself out of bed.

And on the day where I was off work, I will sleep until 1 p.m.

Because I was always, always tired.

Oh, you know, that's another thing I was going to get to later in the show is mental health and depression and stuff.

And how some people might understand that.

How you feel is also how much you weigh and what you're eating, what you're eating and what you weigh.

So let's dive in.

What is plant based nutrition?

Because I've read it's like clearly plants, fruits, vegetables, beans.

But it's not so no meat and dairy.

But then how is that different from a vegetarian or vegan diet?

Tell me what you mean by plant based nutrition.

Yeah, one I look at plant based for me is mostly when you eat all food, all food like fruit, vegetables, the gums, grain, nuts, and seed.

But when you look at the vegan diet, it's just they don't eat animal product, dairy product.

But I've seen that a lot of vegan people eat a lot of processed food.

And that's why you will see.

Oh, really?

For example, what's something a vegan would eat that's processed?

For example, biscuits, cakes, coca-cola, all the packaged food, all the fake meat, all these things are processed food.

You know, that's a great one.

I mean, it's been in the last 10 years.

It's been a while.

It seems at one point, I'd go into the grocery store and I'm going there to find health.

I do eat meat and some fish.

So I'm going to the healthy food store, trying to find non-processed.

It's like, oh, I'm being tricked.

This is hamburger, but it's not hamburger.

It's vegan hamburger or vegan chicken.

It's made to look and taste like chicken for the vegans.

I'm sorry, the vegetarians.

Well, you tell me, Oliver.

What?

Well, but you had a good point.

You had a good, that's a good point.

These, that's processed stuff, right?

Yeah.

Processed food and processed food are not really good for the human mechanism because of all the additive, colouring, flavouring, preservative, which are substances, substances not recognised by the body and they create havoc.

And that's why when you're on a plant-based nutrition, you tend not to eat processed food, just whole food, gut food basically, instead of eating man-made food.

And when you look at vegetarians, they don't eat animal products, but they eat dairy products.

So that's the main difference between those three categories of people.

You remind me of a friend of mine.

He was a strong guy.

One day they found him lying on the floor.

He had a head injury, don't know why he fell over in his head.

And for a year, he couldn't even text or write me.

It was a challenge to read and speak.

And now he's healthy as ever.

He's back to climbing mountains.

So when I was at his house one time, he made this stuff that was delicious.

Where I'm going with this is trying to understand what you mean by plant.

His recipe is very simple.

It was awesome.

I was like, how do you make this?

He's like, Daniel, it's sweet potato, cauliflower, red onion, carrots, zucchini, tempeh, and beans.

Curry, garlic powder.

He throws it in the pot with two inches of water.

I'm writing down the recipe because back to what is this?

He's like, that's it.

Then I had rice.

I'm like, what about the oil?

Are you?

No, Daniel, no oil.

I'm like, no oil, just water.

That's delicious.

So that's what you're speaking of, that simple plant-based.

Yes.

So basically, that's exactly what I'm talking about, like fruit, vegetables, legumes, like beans, lentils, chickpeas.

You eat stuff like spinach, cauliflower, broccoli, mushrooms, red bell pepper.

So that's basically the food that grows, comes from the earth.

That's basically what I'm talking about.

But for me, I use a little bit of oil.

I use olive oil, extra virgin olive oil, but just a little bit that I use when I do my cooking.

And basically, for the time being, I'm not doing that as much because over the years, I've been able to transition and now I'm 98% raw.

So I only eat 2% of cooked food.

Yeah, I was going to get to that too, some tips for how people can transition.

I think I could do it over night, follow my friend's recipe or one of yours.

Before we do, maybe, maybe let's go back to the health benefits because it's not just weight loss, right?

I was reading those, it can help with heart disease, cholesterol, Alzheimer's possibly, because it, again, avoids certain things, and it adds certain things, this kind of diet.

So tell listeners some things that it might help with them besides weight loss.

Yeah.

So basically, when you look at plant-based apart from weight loss, yes, you can reverse a lot of chronic diseases because in all this plant food, you've got loads of antioxidant, you've got lots of nutrients, fiber, you've got vitamins and stuff like that.

And all this will really, really give you good health.

It's like me, for example, I've been able to reverse all my chronic diseases, so I don't suffer from high blood pressure anymore.

I don't have back pain anymore, no joint pain.

I don't, for the past five years, I've not been to the dentist.

And actually, I've been kicked out of my practice because I didn't go anymore.

So all these things really will bring you a lot of benefit.

What were you kicked out of?

My dental practice because for five years, I didn't turn up.

So they basically kicked me out.

They said that I was not allowed to come anymore.

Oh, that's in your country because there's...

Yeah, in UK, yes.

It's free dental care.

Yes, free dental care.

So now if I have a problem, I need to call the emergency, and I have to go.

So I don't have a dentist as such anymore.

So, anti-oxidants, they're...

Go ahead.

Yeah.

And with all these things as well, like I was saying as well, one of the benefits as well is to...

You can reverse your aging process, because a lot of people, when they see me, they think that I am in my late 20s, but I'm actually 54.

You have a video on your website about the skin.

Like a lot of young people, acne and skin conditions, what avoiding the processed foods and the other stuff can do for you.

It almost seems like it's not just that you're eating plants, it's that you're avoiding a lot of the other foods, right?

Yes.

Yes.

For example, so I avoid all animal products.

I avoid all dairy products because in all my research, I've been able to see that the dairy products are mostly responsible for a lot of skin issues, like eczema, like psoriasis and stuff.

For example, my son, he had eczema for 11 years.

We saw doctors, they prescribed all soft-toe creams, but there were no changes.

But when we adopted this plant-based nutrition, it only took two weeks for his entire eczema to disappear completely.

And I've got my brother as well, who was suffering from psoriasis.

He had that for eight years, and he was put on very strong steroid.

And the doctor told him that he will have that for the rest of his life.

But when I introduced him to this plant-based nutrition, now basically the psoriasis is completely gone.

So tell me about a typical day in your life.

Breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks.

What's a meal look like for each?

Yeah, so basically, I only eat twice a day.

I don't have breakfast because I recognize that the digestion process is very heavy on the body.

So basically, when you digest food, you spend 80% of your energy that's digesting all the food.

And as well, when you are digesting food, the body will produce insulin and you will have a lot of spikes of insulin.

And when your body produces insulin all the time, you will age very quickly.

And basically, if you age very quickly, you will die quicker as well.

And another thing as well is that when the body produces insulin, it cannot produce what is called the human growth hormone, which is basically very important for the health of a lot of cells.

And as well, when you look and when you do intermittent fasting, because that's what I do, the body goes through a process which is called autophagy, where it eats dead and dying tissues.

And all this will really give you good health.

That's why I only eat twice a day.

So, what time, what time of, when do you eat the first time?

What time of day is it?

Yeah, my first, my first, my first food is at noon, at 12 p.m.

that I have that, and the second one is at 6 p.m.

And I don't eat, I don't take any snacks in between.

Oh, no snacks.

That's kind of tough.

But you've been doing this a while.

So we'll, we'll, people can start more gently.

What do you eat at lunch, at noontime?

At noontime, it's always fruit, just fruit.

Just fruit.

Yeah, just fruit.

For example, today are the bananas and grapes.

Wow.

It's always fruit.

It's almost like fasting for me right there, just noontime for.

And then what's dinner at 6 p.m.?

What do you have?

Yeah, so at 6 p.m., like I said, I'm now 98% raw.

So in total, in a week, I have 14 meals.

So 12 will be fruit and 2 will be salad.

So for example, tonight at 6 p.m., normally I would have some fruit.

But tomorrow, it's Wednesday.

Usually at 6 p.m., I will have some salad.

I will have, for example, some lettuce, some carrots, tomatoes and stuff like that.

And sometimes I will have a little bit of steamed vegetables or a little bit of mushroom, potatoes and beans and stuff like that.

So only 2% of what I eat is cooked.

And sometimes I will have as well tofu and stuff like that.

How do you get your protein?

Yeah.

So when people ask me, why do I get my protein?

The answer that I give them is that when you look, for example, at the gorilla, we share 99% of the same DNA, which means that our digestive tract are practically the same.

And what do gorillas eat?

They eat fruit, vegetables and tender root.

Gorillas do not eat meat.

But where do they get their protein from?

From the fruit and stuff like that that they eat.

And that's exactly where I get my protein.

I get that from fruit, vegetables, legumes, green nuts and seeds.

And when you look at the gorilla, it's not weak, it's very strong, but it doesn't eat meat.

So that's where I get my protein from.

And when you look as well at the giraffe, the cow, the rhino, all of them, they don't eat meat, but they still get all the protein.

They eat a lot of grass and they have double stomachs or something like that, right?

Doesn't a cow have two stomachs to digest all that grass or something like that?

The gorilla is a good example because I didn't realize the digestive systems are similar to humans and are really strong.

The reason I'm still kind of questioning it is, I'm always looking on the package how much protein is in something.

And it doesn't seem like fruit has very much protein, like a banana, how many grams of protein, and how many bananas could I eat all day?

So I see a lot of vegetarians doing a lot of beans and rice because they say, the beans have protein in the rice and beans together, do something special with the enzyme.

From what you're saying, it sounds like that's not really required.

No, because when the example that I'm giving, you look at the gorilla, they don't eat cooked food, but they still have all the protein requirement met.

So because-

Oh, good point, good point.

Yeah, because the beans have to be cooked, which by the way, environmentally, that's a lot of energy to cook beans all day, people.

I know I'm not trying to get in to the environmental conversation.

The idea where you're saving the planet by not eating meat because animals takes a lot of water and energy to make food.

To feed all these animals that you eat, it takes a lot of energy to cook beans and rice.

Come to think of it.

And that's what you mean by cooked food, right?

You're not cooking anything.

Yeah.

So, I only eat 2% of what I eat is cooked food.

The rest is raw food.

But my point is, if you look at the gorilla, they don't eat cooked food, but they're still have the...

They're not missing any protein.

They still have protein.

And that's exactly what I'm doing.

And I've not had any animal product for the past 8 years.

And I've not had any problem like being deficient in protein and stuff like that.

My health is pretty good.

Like I said, for the past 8 years, I've not been sick a single day.

And for the past 9 years, I've not taken a single pill, not even an aspirin or a paracetamol, which means that my health is optimal, even though I don't eat animal product.

Have you ever heard of that or read the book or heard of the idea of eat right for your blood type?

No, no.

It's based on, you know, we have, you can be O type, A type, B type, a couple of different blood types.

And O is very common.

And the idea behind that book was if you're a meat eater, if you normally you feel better with some meat, you'd be a typo versus every, if you're a type A or B or something like that.

You do, you thrive all the time with 000 meat.

Where I'm going with this, Oliver, is I am kind of just curious.

I'm just processing all this because in my own diet, I've done completely raw, which is no cooking at all.

And I've done the vegan, of course, which is no meat.

If I'm going raw, I'm literally raw.

I lost a lot of weight.

And I found that I did feel a little better with a little bit of meat.

And I wondered like, is that maybe because the gorilla is a type A or type B, not, oh, what would you say to some people that they're trying this and they don't, did you feel a little bit low on energy?

Would it be okay to have a little meat?

Or your research and you're saying, no, just cut the meat, period.

Don't eat meat.

And that's fine.

I'm just wondering, because maybe I just, maybe I just didn't give enough time.

And what do you think, what do you think?

Yeah, so when you look, for example, at all the animals, they all eat, they've got a specific diet.

All of them.

For example, you look at the tiger, they all eat the same thing.

So just don't understand why as human beings, we need to have a different kind of diet.

We should have a specific diet as well for us.

But my point is, if, for example, we normally don't have to eat meat.

But what I've noticed is that if you eat more meat, your health will be less better.

So the more eat you eat, the worse your health will be.

Oh, certainly.

When I added meat back to my diet, I meant like once a month, like that infrequently, just like just literally not never, like I'm never going to eat meat again.

I found for me, I had to go back in once or twice a month, have a small portion.

And I just wondered if it was because I was my body, something special, deficiency, maybe something I wasn't getting, or maybe it was other variables.

And I didn't need to really eat meat.

Yeah, but the problem is, even for people I work with, if they can't stop completely with meat, I don't want to be dogmatic.

So I will just tell them to reduce that considerably, for example, to a maximum of two times a week.

And they will use that as a condiment.

So it's very little of meat, two times a week maximum.

That's what I will tell them.

But I will not say if they can't.

So how does somebody get started?

You described your...

You wouldn't suggest people jump right into that.

Even it sounds like you worked on it for a while.

So you eat lots of vegetables, both for the green, like the salads, the kale, the chard.

And you can steam it or grill it if you're still in the cooking phase, right?

For fruit, you pick what fruit you like.

How do people get started?

Yeah.

So what...

Yeah.

So one people need to add this thought.

This is first of all, they need to have the right mindset because without the right mindset, it's going to fail.

They will fail miserably.

It's just like when you look at people who take the New Year's resolution, they will just say, okay, next year I will lose weight, I'll stop smoking and stuff like that, I'll stop drinking.

They will do that for two weeks, three weeks, maximum four weeks, and they revert back to the old habit.

So what people need to do is to have the right mindset and they need to see that change is possible.

When they say that, already they say to themselves that it's going to be difficult.

Yes, your mind will make it difficult for you.

So you need to have the right mindset.

What is the mindset?

By mindset, a lot of people throw that around.

Tell me about that.

What does it feel like, look like, think like, mindset?

Yeah, so the mindset, I will say that the right attitude, the right attitude at which you decide to do something and the motivation that will be beyond that.

For example, let's say, if for example, you look at, instead of using your willpower, you will use your willpower in the sense that, for example, for me, I said to myself, okay, Olivier, in the past, you used to be sick all the time, you will spend a lot of time in bed and stuff like that.

And when I started this way of eating, basically, I started to feel a lot of energy, a lot of mental clarity, and I didn't want to go back to the way that I was feeling before.

And this was able to fuel me too, so that I don't revert back to what I was doing.

So on one side, you look at, I'm going to go for the hamburger instead of the peaches and watermelon.

Do I want to be skinny and my skin to be clear and have no high blood pressure?

Or do I want to be in bed overweight, feeling like like there's the hamburger, dude.

Do I go for the sleeping in bed depressed or I'm climbing the mountain, I'm looking good, the women, I walk down the street, I'm turning heads?

Which is it?

Probably just taking the time out to think like that, the hamburger thought goes out to like, what was I thinking?

I don't need a hamburger, right?

Just the time it takes, like take five seconds out?

Yeah.

So basically that's what I was doing all the time.

So to not fall back on my old habit.

And what I will say to people is to, when they have sought out the mindset, what they need to do is they need to go step by step.

They don't have to do like me, where I went called Turkey.

I don't ask people to do that.

They need to go step by step.

For example, if they are used to eat meat every day, what they can do, for example, they will continue to eat that for five days.

For two days, they don't eat that.

And for example, for the dairy product, they will start reducing that.

And instead, for example, to drink cow's milk, they can drink old one milk, or soil milk, or rice milk.

Oh, that's a great one.

Yeah, they start making small changes like that.

Or for example, if they want to eat ice cream, they can have vegan ice cream.

So they introduce small changes like that.

Which is delicious, by the way.

It's hard to find.

And I wondered at first, is it a gimmick?

It's a gimmick.

Maybe it has fat, because not everything healthy has low fat.

Some things, the oil they use, instead of whatever the other.

Some things can not be, yeah, the vegan ice cream is great.

And the almond milk and the oat milk is getting to the point now in the US, it's becoming popular.

It's harder to find now, because it's catching on.

And yeah, way better for you than cow's milk.

Exactly, because there's a lot of vegan options now.

For example, when you eat a vegan ice cream, you will not even know if they don't tell you, you will not even know the difference.

Maybe some of them are even more delicious, they taste better.

So all these things are good.

You can, for example, for people who want chocolate, they got chocolate made with vegan chocolate.

So there's lots of stuff that they can introduce slowly and to take off all the wrong food.

And for example, for the processed food, they need as well to try and reduce that to the minimum.

So say I want to start tomorrow, what do I eat for breakfast before I go on the Oliver diet, which is noontime before I have a banana?

How I start breakfast tomorrow?

I've got to go to work.

It's the office, working at the bank.

I'm not doing a lot of exercise.

What's for breakfast?

Yeah, so for example, for breakfast, there's lots of ideas.

You can have, for example, toast with peanut butter, or you can have toast with slash banana and peanut butter.

I haven't thought about toast.

I'm thinking plants, but technically bread is wheat, so that's a plant.

The toast.

Oh, but pancakes without eggs, would that count?

Would that be pancakes without eggs?

Yeah.

I love pancakes.

Yeah, without.

Okay, without eggs.

This is not actually difficult.

Maybe it's dinner, the meat, the chicken, and lunch that come to be the challenge.

What's lunch?

Yeah, for lunch, for example, you can have brown rice.

You can have broccoli with green peas, with green beans and red bell pepper, for example.

Or you can have sweet potatoes with mushroom, with kidney beans and spinach, for example.

Or you guys have, in the UK, do you have those bags of pre-made, pre-cooked rice you can just throw in the microwave for like 90 seconds, and it's already got the spices and it's pre-cooked?

Yes, we've got that, yes, but I don't think that's good.

The good, not good?

No, not good.

It's better to cook from scratch, yes, it's better because they add lots of salt, lots of preservatives and stuff like that.

It's better to cook yourself.

You get brown rice and you cook that from scratch.

But if you were just trying to start out, and it's better than having chicken or a hamburger.

That's what I'm saying to people, that if they are starting out, they can use all this processed food as transition food.

So they don't have to just stop, for example, they can still eat the fake meat, they can still use those kind of rice just as transition food.

I like the way you put that, like I'm in the fake transition.

I'm transitioning, I'm better than, I'm cutting my chicken and my beef out, but I'm in the middle zone.

And I still got a gold transit, I'm not cold turkey.

Okay, so get chicken.

And I actually had that for lunch the other day when I was just really tired.

And I'm kind of like, I'm not tired of eating literally.

And look, what if I just had the rice with the peas and the broccoli?

And I'm like, I mixed them all together.

I'm actually quite good, good enough.

So then you could do the same thing for dinner practically.

There's not much difference, right?

No, that's not much different for dinner.

For example, what you can have, you can have like a salad or you can have, for example, some soup, lentil soup with lentil and potato soup, or you can have lentil with kale soup, or you can have, for example, lettuce, cucumber, some celery, beetroot, just some mixture like that because it's good for your last meal to be very light, so that you don't overwork your stomach when you go to sleep.

You'll sleep better even though you think you'll sleep better on the full stomach.

It's kind of the opposite.

Your body has to stay awake to digest its food, it can't shut down.

What do you tell people though if they get hungry in the middle of the night, and their stomach feels like it's growling, and they wake up and they can't sleep, and they think, if only I have a little snack, I'll fall asleep better.

What's the, they go like, just take a get a cup of oat milk or your almond milk and something small?

What do you tell them?

Yeah.

So basically, what I will tell them is not to eat, because when you eat, yes, not to eat, because when you are asleep, your metabolism really slows down, and all this food will not get digested.

And basically, this is a recipe for chronic diseases in the future.

So what I will tell them if they are really hungry, maybe what they can do, they can make maybe drink water, or they can have some juice, homemade juice, or they can have oat milk or soy milk or something like that.

Just liquid.

Good.

Yeah, just liquid.

Just liquid.

Yeah, oat milk.

Oat milk.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've done that myself once or twice.

I just reach for the carton of oat milk, and it's almost like a little like ice cream sometimes.

It's just something beyond water, and it can be enough, and maybe it's just the exercise of I feel like I've eaten and done something.

I've walked to the refrigerator and pulled it out.

It gets me by sometimes.

Yeah.

So you have three on your website, and which will be in the show notes, of course, in your coaching program on how to get the mindset and incorporate the stuff in your lifestyle.

You have a three-step weight loss and wellness coaching program.

What are the three steps?

Like, you know, to give us all the details.

What's the, like we're talking about breakfast, lunch, and dinners?

Is there a step one, two, three?

Yeah, the three steps are, first of all, the first step is your mindset, like I was just saying.

So when people come to my coaching program, the first thing that I will do is to coach them to have the right mindset, to have a reigning mindset so that they know that it's possible.

They don't have to just say, okay, it's going to be difficult to stop eating meat or to reduce that considerably.

They need to see that change is possible.

So they need to have the right mindset.

So that's the first step.

The second step is to make them adopt a plant-based nutrition where they eat fruit, vegetables, legumes, green nuts, and seed, because all this food have got lots of fiber, and this fiber will make them full very quickly, and they will tend to eat less frequently.

And when you do that, you will be able to lose weight, you will be able to have a very strong immune system, and all the fiber will be able as well to clean your GI tract, because a lot of chronic diseases start in the GI tract, and the fiber will be able to really clean your intestine and stuff like that.

And the third step is to adopt the in, to give your digestive system rest, in the sense that you need to adopt intermittent fasting.

And basically for me, I only eat twice a day, but when people start my program, I don't ask them to do that.

They will still have to eat three times a day, if that's what they are used to do.

Or if they eat more than three times a day, they will have to reduce that to three times.

But the key is to have no snacking in between, because when you keep snacking all the time, basically you are going to overwork your digestive system.

And what I was saying is that when you are digesting food, the healing and cleansing process cannot happen.

The body can only do the healing and cleansing when it's not digesting food.

It's like for example, if you take your car to the garage, you can't drive it at the same time.

So when you are not digesting food, then the body will start cleaning your system.

As soon as you start eating, the body stops that process.

And that's why it's better if you're still eating three meals a day to have no snacking in between, so that you give your body the time to do the healing and cleansing process.

Yeah, the fasting is something we haven't spoken about and something I keep forgetting about because you incorporated.

And some people talk about miracles from fasting.

Explain what fasting is to those who they've heard the word, but they don't really know what they don't really know what it means, fasting.

They think it means not to eat, which it does, but tell us about the fasting part.

Yeah, the fasting, the intermittent fasting, is when you eat just in a small window of time.

For example, you can have an 8-hours window, where in that 8-hours window, you can eat, and for 16 hours, you don't eat.

And the benefit of doing that is, like I've just said, you give your body the time to not to digest food.

And when you're not digesting food, the body will be able to do the repairing process, the healing and all these things.

And basically, your body will also be able to not produce insulin when you're not digesting food.

It will produce the human growth hormone, and all this will make your immune system very strong.

And when you see as well, you will see that all the animals in the animal kingdom, when they are sick, the first thing that they will do is to stop eating.

Always, they stop eating.

They lay down and stop eating.

Yep, they go to rest, they don't eat yet.

But fasting is just drinking water.

You set a time, like I'm going to, for the next 8 hours or 12 hours a day, I'm only going to drink water.

No, not even any juice, right?

Because there's juiced fast out there.

But for you and for this program, and ideally for fast, it's just water, right?

Yeah, that's the best solution.

It's just water.

But if people want to drink juice or something like that, that's perfectly fine.

But the key is not to eat.

Because when you drink, your body will be able to really get that off your system very quickly.

But when you eat, then the body needs to digest the food.

And especially if you eat animal product, it takes too long for the body to digest the food.

Perfect.

And that's not what we want.

Anything liquid is fine, except for alcohol, of course.

But there's a lot of calories and sugar and some fruit juices, no?

So that's okay for you fast.

No, no.

When I'm talking about juice, I'm talking about homemade juices.

Because when you buy the juices at the supermarket, the commercial juices, that's the wrong choice, because they've got loads of added sugar, they've got loads of calories, that's not good.

But when you do the juices, you make that yourself at home, that's a lot better.

With the juicer, you get a juicer?

Yes.

You get a juicer and you do that.

Okay.

So I try to simplify things, break it down.

So what we mean is either water or anything you drink, that you make yourself with your juice machine.

It's fair game.

And if you don't have a juice machine, then you got to be really careful to read the ingredients and get nothing but pure juice, which is probably, you could do still, but you could get just apple juice, no sugar added.

Would that work?

I'm sure that the juices that they sell in the supermarket, they still have to add something because, especially if it's in a carton, maybe they can produce a year before, and you can still drink that, which means that they would preserve it inside.

And like I've just said, the preservatives are not good for the human organism.

So the best thing is to do homemade juices.

Okay, so I'm not a doctor, and I know, I think, I always try to be careful about everything.

It's not my expertise.

So for example, are there any known health conditions, you know, where people really need to talk to their doctor before doing something like this, where they, you know, something that they might need to be aware of, they can't just do that diet, they need a little bit of this, or they should be aware of.

Is there groups of people like that?

What I will just say is for anybody who wants to do that, regardless of the conditions, is to just speak to the doctor, because I just don't want to take any responsibility to say to people, no, you can do whatever you want.

They still need to see the physician and explain to them what they want to do.

But at the end of the day, it's up to them to decide what they want.

For my own example, I didn't consult any doctor, I just decided to do that myself, because I did...

Basically, what's happened is that...

Why did that change?

It's because I was just watching one day a program on YouTube, and I saw an Indian yogi who suggested that by going...

By stopping eating animal product, it was possible to reverse 70% of the chronic diseases.

And because I trusted that Indian yogi, I said, okay, I'm going to try that myself.

But I didn't go and ask my doctor and stuff like that.

So to be on the safe side, if people have some chronic diseases and stuff like that, yes, it might be better for them to speak to you.

Well, also, you brought up a good point.

You know, when I did environmental stuff, like I used to test people's houses for mold.

And then we contracted, we'd tear out all the mold.

And they go, you got to test my house now and see if it's okay.

I'm like, how do you feel?

I mean, if you still feel the same, then they probably missed something and didn't work.

If you feel better, probably good.

You don't need me to tell you that.

How do you feel it?

What if I tell you it's good and you feel bad?

What if your doctor says that should make you feel good?

And like, doc, I don't feel good or I feel worse.

Good point, Oliver.

So trust yourself.

You're the best person to really do an experiment with your own body, right?

Definitely.

And of course, ask them.

But even if you ask them, I think you always want to trust, like you always anything you ask someone for an opinion and then you trust yourself.

So is there anything else we haven't spoke about?

You have a lot of stuff on your YouTube channel and your website, and you coach people in the process.

What would you tell somebody who's still skeptical about this?

How curious but still sceptical?

Yes, if people are still sceptical, they just need to look at the evidence, because the evidence speaks from themselves.

For example, if people have to look at me, they can see that for the past eight years, I've not been sick a single day.

For the past nine years, I've not taken a single pill.

My health is really optimal.

For example, my wife as well, she was able to follow me as well.

And for her, she was able to lose 99 pounds, and her health is optimal.

You look at my brother, he was able to do that as well.

He lost 73 pounds, and for him as well, he's not been sick a single day, just like me.

So, there's lots of examples like that, where people are getting better and better.

I've got my daughter as well.

She was suffering from the flu, maybe two to three times every year.

But since adopting this plant-based nutrition, she doesn't suffer from the flu anymore.

So, there's lots of stuff like that, that people can see for themselves.

But the best way to know is to try, is to try for themselves.

Because if you don't try, you will not be able to know.

Of the one that I read, which is brain health.

And my friend who, he fell down, hit his head, nobody knows what happened, except that for a year he couldn't really speak or write, and now he's perfectly fine again.

It healed his brain.

I mean, I can't make this up.

What other, he's better now completely.

And the ironic thing is when I'm, you know, I've known him for a while, years.

He was a hunter, a meat eating hunter.

And, and, you know, I don't like to hunt.

I don't get going Bambi, but I try to expect everybody's opinion and privilege and rights and whatnot.

And so I would, you know, he's just trying to not focus on that aspect of him.

You'll use a hunter.

He's so he eats meat.

And now he's given me this recipe with zucchinis and, and, you know, sweet potatoes.

So, yeah, like you're saying, there's, there's you proof your family yourself.

So if you're skeptical, anyhow, I guess what I'm saying is I think this out loud is just try it.

Right, Oliver, that's how you.

Yeah, that's the best way.

That's the best way because if you say to yourself it doesn't work, you will not know.

You have to try.

You have to try.

But for people as well, they need to have the right guidance because a lot of people as well, they can do that the wrong way.

And if they see that it's not working, they will say, that's not good.

For example, my own example, when I started this, I went cold turkey, and the following week, I had massive detox symptoms.

I had massive headache for three days that I've never had in my entire life.

I had cold sore.

My joints started to ache even more.

My back was killing me.

So all the symptoms got worse.

And even my wife asked me to stop.

But I said, no, I'm going to continue.

And after a week, all the symptoms completely disappeared.

And that's how the physical body detoxified itself.

If we have been eating the wrong food for a very long time, for some people, that's how the physical body heal itself, by making you sick first.

But for most people, when they will see that, they will say, no, no, no, it's not working.

And as soon as you start eating the food that you were eating before, all these detox symptoms will disappear, and you will say, oh no, you see, eating fruit, eating all these plants is bad.

But that's not how it is.

And when people just do that for themselves, maybe they can encounter some things like that, and they will maybe refer back to what they was doing.

So if they can find someone to guide them, that will be even better.

One thing that comes to mind, the engineer in me is always like, okay, the why, what's happening, how's it work?

Maybe this is just an idea.

Everyone has a different explanation for things, but just mind that comes to mind real quick, why things got worse before they got perfect, is you're not eating or you're not eating the bad stuff, so your body doesn't have to take the time and energy to store and break down all the bad stuff.

And I was like, oh, let's clean house.

Like, oh, we can clean the house and they're doing that instead.

That's why all the stuff's coming out and all the garbage, and because you're giving it a break to be able to take the time to do that, maybe, and then your house is clean.

Possibly, just an idea.

No, that that's exactly what it is.

That's exactly what it is.

Because when you stop eating the wrong food, and you put the right food, the body will find enough energy to try to get rid of all this toxin and you will dump that in your bloodstream.

And that's what will make you feel sick.

That's exactly what you think.

It's not the time to go, you know what?

I'm feeling bad.

I'm going to go grab a hamburger or some chicken and fries.

It's like, no, stick with it.

You're going to feel better when it's done.

So as soon as you do that, the body will stop what it was doing.

Yeah.

Anything else that you want to that we haven't covered?

That you'd like to add?

I've thought around that, and I can't, I've lost it.

But something along the line, when you're going through that process, what's happening?

It's not important, people just try to, you want to feel better.

Oh, I know what I was thinking.

So there's a lot of sick people out there.

They're both depressed, can't get out of bed, besides overweight and extreme stuff like in your case.

Even one thing that comes to my mind is for me, for example, I didn't stick with the raw diet.

I went back to eating meat a couple times a month.

If you're sick, maybe this is something good to help you get well, and then you can take a step back, possibly, right?

Oliver, like you don't have to live like this forever.

Or you could, you could be like, you can be like you are and you're always getting healthier and aging less and looking better every day.

But if you're sick also, you don't have to go in the mindset of, I'm going to adopt this lifestyle forever, right?

Maybe you just try it for a week, a month, six months, a year, right?

Yeah, definitely.

So people, because what discourage people sometimes is that they say, okay, I'm going to adopt this lifestyle for the rest of my life.

And at the beginning, they're not happy with that.

What they can say to themselves, okay, I'm going to do that for a month or for two months, or three months and see what's happened.

They will see definitely that their health will get better.

Definitely.

And after that, if they want maybe to reintroduce a little bit of meat, that's perfectly fine.

So they don't have necessarily to become like me, where you don't eat meat, any meat at all.

They can still reintroduce a little bit of that.

That's the key.

So basically, they don't have to start eating the meat just the way they were doing in the past.

What they can do is just maybe once or twice a week, they eat meat just like a condiment, just a little bit of that, and that would be fine.

And if nothing else, I'm challenging people now, if you're skeptical, is like whatever.

Do it just to tell me and Oliver, hit us back in a month, give it a month and hit us back until you didn't feel something better, didn't lose 10 pounds.

I will almost guarantee you, you cannot not lose weight and not feel better if you do this.

It's just the mindset, right?

Yeah, definitely.

Definitely.

If you do that, it's impossible to not lose weight, because when you eat fruit, vegetables, legumes, granutes and seeds, like I've said, they've got very little calories.

They've got lots of fiber, which will clean your digestive tract.

They will make you full very quickly.

You will tend to eat less frequently.

You will have mental clarity, lots of energy.

You will find some change.

This is definitely, you will find some changes.

It's impossible to not find something.

It's like with all of the clients that I've got.

All of them, they say that they find some changes.

For example, there was...

Yeah, it's a mindset.

Go back to the mindset.

I don't even know if I like that.

I don't really like that word.

I know what it means, but it doesn't help me.

You were saying it well before.

It's not willpower.

Mindset is not, I will do this, I will do this.

Mindset is visioning how I'm going to look and feel instead, right?

Yeah.

Not willpower.

Willpower will not do it.

You cannot...

I don't even know what willpower looks like.

If I try to picture willpower, I can't picture willpower except me struggling and almost frustrated.

If I picture myself out hiking, feeling good, getting out of bed early in the morning, feeling great, I can vision that.

That's what we mean by mindset.

It's like setting the picture in your mind, right?

Not willpower.

Yeah, exactly.

That's what you need to...

You need to have a vision.

You need to see the way you want to look like, the way you want to feel, and this will guide you.

Every time, for example, if you think about the way you were...

When you were sick, for example, the way you were feeling, when you think about that, you say, No, I don't have to make a wrong choice.

I need to be on that path.

And every time, this will really guide you.

But if you have to go with your willpower, most likely you will fail.

Your willpower is a losing, it doesn't have much power.

It has power over your willpower.

Okay, great.

It's been a pleasure, Oliver.

For those listening, if you go to Oliver's website, you can get seven tips to lose weight.

You can contact him if you want to learn about, you can book a discovery call with him if you're interested in being coached by him.

He has a YouTube channel.

It's great.

You can see pictures of him before and after.

His YouTube channel is called Your Weight Loss and Wellness Channel.

Links in the show notes.

Thanks for being my show, Oliver.

Wish you the best and continue to look great and feel good and thrive.

Okay.

Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to be on your show.

This is really something that I'm really, really passionate about because I want my brothers and sisters to live a disease-free life.

And I think it's really, really possible to do that.

Because we've been always told that when we are getting older, we need to be sick.

But that's not true, especially in my experience, because when I started this process, I was 46, today I'm 54.

I've not been sick a single day and my health is getting better and better.

And there's nothing that I cannot do now that I was able to do when I was 20.

So I really, really want people to really feel good and see that it's possible to live a disease-free life.

Yeah, I think that's part of when you say you reversed the aging process, it's, I don't know that we mean that you're going to live forever.

It's just you can still live like you did when you were, maybe not like you were 16 or 17 or 20, but 25 for sure, right?

Yeah, definitely earlier than 30s.

Yeah, I think you could, yeah.

Yeah, I get what you're putting down.

It's good.

I appreciate what you do.

I appreciate what you do.

I wish you the best.

Okay.

Thank you very much for that.

Thank you.